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Re: Hawaii Five-O: Any Fans?

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Pahonu wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 11:40 pm
Raykv423 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 10:00 pm
Pahonu wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 10:32 pm I just watched two excellent late episodes, A Capitol Crime (clever name) and Up the Rebels.
Have yet to see Capitol Crime but I did saw Up The Rebels. Thought it’s a fine episode. didn’t see any problems with it.

It’s actually wild Up the Rebels was shot three weeks before a heart attack pretty much killed Stephen Boyd (who played Daniel Costigan in this episode) so it’s really surreal to see him so full of life in what would be his final moments alive recorded in film knowing he would die a short time later.
Wow! I saw that he had died young but didn’t realize this was his last performance. :(
Yeah, pretty sad.

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Pahonu wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 10:32 pm I just watched two excellent late episodes, A Capitol Crime (clever name) and Up the Rebels.
"A Capitol Crime" is one of the best episodes of the series in my opinion and certainly my favorite from season 9! Barnard Hughes gives an Emmy worthy performance as the concerned senior citizen Clinton Palmer. The 2 baddies played by Dick Davalos and Sharon Farrell (playing a real nutcase) are excellent as well.

"Up the Rebels" used to be a middling episode for me but it has gotten better over the years and I would now place it in my top 5 for season 10. I think Stephen Boyd is excellent in the part of the Irish priest/terrorist and is actually the key to the episode's success. He really makes the episode work! He has a certain zeal which really shines and comes through strongly. Without him or with a lesser villain the episode would be pretty bland. Yes, this was the last thing Boyd ever filmed and collapsed shortly after while on a golf course. Boyd will forever be remembered by me as the villainous Messala in one of my favorite films BEN-HUR which also has what I consider to be the all-time greatest film score by Miklos Rozsa.

P.S. Frank Silvera was another actor who, like Boyd, filmed an episode of Five-O (season 3's "Paniolo" playing an aging Hawaiian rancher) and then died unexpectedly after being electrocuted while fixing a garbage disposal. Five-O was also the last thing he filmed.

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Five-0 is available now free on Amazon's Freevee app. Since I'm a child of the 60's (born in 1960) I've started watching it again. Its so cool to experience the 60's era in this classic show. Some of it seems cheesy now days, but its greatly enjoyable. I like picking out the landmarks from later seen in MPI. Lots of episodes used Robins Nest estate. The show does show much of the grittier side of Hawaii. Its a show that would never be aired today because of all the political incorrectness. But to me that makes it even more interesting, to see how much our society has changed for better and worse.
One detail that stands out to me is the number of characters who are sweaty in the show, but never McGarret! even in his full suit and tie :)

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robicurp wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:10 pm Five-0 is available now free on Amazon's Freevee app. Since I'm a child of the 60's (born in 1960) I've started watching it again. Its so cool to experience the 60's era in this classic show. Some of it seems cheesy now days, but its greatly enjoyable. I like picking out the landmarks from later seen in MPI. Lots of episodes used Robins Nest estate. The show does show much of the grittier side of Hawaii. Its a show that would never be aired today because of all the political incorrectness. But to me that makes it even more interesting, to see how much our society has changed for better and worse.
One detail that stands out to me is the number of characters who are sweaty in the show, but never McGarret! even in his full suit and tie :)
Yep, it's a fantastic show. My all-time favorite! It's been available on FreeVee for a long while now. I own all the seasons (except 10) on DVD so that's my preferred viewing method of this cool show! 8) The first 6 seasons are excellent - the show at its full peak. Seasons 7 thru 9 are down just a notch but still very good. Season 10 is where the show takes a considerable downturn in quality and 11 and 12 only get worse. Although 11 did have the excellent "The Skyline Killer" (the last truly great Five-O episode) which should have been the series finale. Season 12 was definitely not needed.

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ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:20 pm
robicurp wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:10 pm Five-0 is available now free on Amazon's Freevee app. Since I'm a child of the 60's (born in 1960) I've started watching it again. Its so cool to experience the 60's era in this classic show. Some of it seems cheesy now days, but its greatly enjoyable. I like picking out the landmarks from later seen in MPI. Lots of episodes used Robins Nest estate. The show does show much of the grittier side of Hawaii. Its a show that would never be aired today because of all the political incorrectness. But to me that makes it even more interesting, to see how much our society has changed for better and worse.
One detail that stands out to me is the number of characters who are sweaty in the show, but never McGarret! even in his full suit and tie :)
Yep, it's a fantastic show. My all-time favorite! It's been available on FreeVee for a long while now. I own all the seasons (except 10) on DVD so that's my preferred viewing method of this cool show! 8) The first 6 seasons are excellent - the show at its full peak. Seasons 7 thru 9 are down just a notch but still very good. Season 10 is where the show takes a considerable downturn in quality and 11 and 12 only get worse. Although 11 did have the excellent "The Skyline Killer" (the last truly great Five-O episode) which should have been the series finale. Season 12 was definitely not needed.
Well said Ivan, I would love to hear you and Mr. Mike on a podcast.
I remember that CBS hyped the show all summer before it aired, all 8 of us in our house gathered around to watch. It was far more exciting than any other show you could mention that
was on the air at the time, it crackled with energy. After, the kids in the neighborhood,school, were all talking about it while the poor slobs who missed it listened enviously while
making a mental note to whine and nag their parents into watching it next week.
(with just 3 networks, if a series landed with a huge impact, most everyone you knew shared in the experience)
I knew when a series or movie had greatly entertained/amused my father and gotten his seal of approval as he would have my mom make us all Black Cows(root beer floats) - yum - the ultimate accolade.
Hawaii Five -0 then a Black Cow, you bet I remember that night.
The only other series that I recall making such an impact, that I recall the day it first aired was "Adam-12" which NBC had greatly hyped all summer as well.

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#1821 Post by ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) »

Luther's nephew Dobie wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:48 am
ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:20 pm
robicurp wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:10 pm Five-0 is available now free on Amazon's Freevee app. Since I'm a child of the 60's (born in 1960) I've started watching it again. Its so cool to experience the 60's era in this classic show. Some of it seems cheesy now days, but its greatly enjoyable. I like picking out the landmarks from later seen in MPI. Lots of episodes used Robins Nest estate. The show does show much of the grittier side of Hawaii. Its a show that would never be aired today because of all the political incorrectness. But to me that makes it even more interesting, to see how much our society has changed for better and worse.
One detail that stands out to me is the number of characters who are sweaty in the show, but never McGarret! even in his full suit and tie :)
Yep, it's a fantastic show. My all-time favorite! It's been available on FreeVee for a long while now. I own all the seasons (except 10) on DVD so that's my preferred viewing method of this cool show! 8) The first 6 seasons are excellent - the show at its full peak. Seasons 7 thru 9 are down just a notch but still very good. Season 10 is where the show takes a considerable downturn in quality and 11 and 12 only get worse. Although 11 did have the excellent "The Skyline Killer" (the last truly great Five-O episode) which should have been the series finale. Season 12 was definitely not needed.
Well said Ivan, I would love to hear you and Mr. Mike on a podcast.
I remember that CBS hyped the show all summer before it aired, all 8 of us in our house gathered around to watch. It was far more exciting than any other show you could mention that
was on the air at the time, it crackled with energy. After, the kids in the neighborhood,school, were all talking about it while the poor slobs who missed it listened enviously while
making a mental note to whine and nag their parents into watching it next week.
(with just 3 networks, if a series landed with a huge impact, most everyone you knew shared in the experience)
I knew when a series or movie had greatly entertained/amused my father and gotten his seal of approval as he would have my mom make us all Black Cows(root beer floats) - yum - the ultimate accolade.
Hawaii Five -0 then a Black Cow, you bet I remember that night.
The only other series that I recall making such an impact, that I recall the day it first aired was "Adam-12" which NBC had greatly hyped all summer as well.
Dang, Dobie! You had a front row seat to watch and experience the unfolding of a TV masterpiece! :D Man, to be there in the summer of '68 and watch all the buildup to this classic series and then to sit down on one September evening and to witness that first image of a man in a red rubber suit floating in a cylindrical chamber known as the Cocoon, accompanied by that eerie Morton Stevens score. Did you actually watch that pilot episode with your dad? How old were you?

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ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:23 am
Luther's nephew Dobie wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:48 am
ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:20 pm
robicurp wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:10 pm Five-0 is available now free on Amazon's Freevee app. Since I'm a child of the 60's (born in 1960) I've started watching it again. Its so cool to experience the 60's era in this classic show. Some of it seems cheesy now days, but its greatly enjoyable. I like picking out the landmarks from later seen in MPI. Lots of episodes used Robins Nest estate. The show does show much of the grittier side of Hawaii. Its a show that would never be aired today because of all the political incorrectness. But to me that makes it even more interesting, to see how much our society has changed for better and worse.
One detail that stands out to me is the number of characters who are sweaty in the show, but never McGarret! even in his full suit and tie :)
Yep, it's a fantastic show. My all-time favorite! It's been available on FreeVee for a long while now. I own all the seasons (except 10) on DVD so that's my preferred viewing method of this cool show! 8) The first 6 seasons are excellent - the show at its full peak. Seasons 7 thru 9 are down just a notch but still very good. Season 10 is where the show takes a considerable downturn in quality and 11 and 12 only get worse. Although 11 did have the excellent "The Skyline Killer" (the last truly great Five-O episode) which should have been the series finale. Season 12 was definitely not needed.
Well said Ivan, I would love to hear you and Mr. Mike on a podcast.
I remember that CBS hyped the show all summer before it aired, all 8 of us in our house gathered around to watch. It was far more exciting than any other show you could mention that
was on the air at the time, it crackled with energy. After, the kids in the neighborhood,school, were all talking about it while the poor slobs who missed it listened enviously while
making a mental note to whine and nag their parents into watching it next week.
(with just 3 networks, if a series landed with a huge impact, most everyone you knew shared in the experience)
I knew when a series or movie had greatly entertained/amused my father and gotten his seal of approval as he would have my mom make us all Black Cows(root beer floats) - yum - the ultimate accolade.
Hawaii Five -0 then a Black Cow, you bet I remember that night.
The only other series that I recall making such an impact, that I recall the day it first aired was "Adam-12" which NBC had greatly hyped all summer as well.
Dang, Dobie! You had a front row seat to watch and experience the unfolding of a TV masterpiece! :D Man, to be there in the summer of '68 and watch all the buildup to this classic series and then to sit down on one September evening and to witness that first image of a man in a red rubber suit floating in a cylindrical chamber known as the Cocoon, accompanied by that eerie Morton Stevens score. Did you actually watch that pilot episode with your dad? How old were you?
Ivan,
No kidding, the new Fall seasons back then were an event, promoted in newspapers and mags, and CBS had to have realized - after showing the pilot to a picked audience at some Hollywood venue -
they had a winner, especially with that big budget. And remember, you still had Hawaii Mania going strong - Hawaiian Eye profited from it big time - and what could be more thrilling than winning a trip
there on a game show, the viewers eyes lit up as the emcee described the trip, it seemed so exotic and far, far, far away from our experiences at Sandy Hook, no hula girls there.
CBS constantly ran one commercial of the cops swarming aboard the ship, it was so cool, my brother Greg who was my mentor then deemed it 'must see' every time the ad ran which was plenty.
Throw in the 8 of us gathered around the RCA set, sharing the excitement, it became a shared family memory as well.
As opposed to daytime when we were all off doing our own thing.
Dinner and a really special TV show/movie we could all comment on, laughing at my bro's wise guy remarks or yelling at me to pipe down or the old man saying he had been 'here/there' in the army
or on assignment overseas from Merck, these were some of my fondest childhood memories, served with a Black Cow.
At the time Hawaii Five -O first aired I was in third grade at Grant School in Westfield, so I was nine.
Our family had a house there for 40 years at a time people didn't move much, but every single person we knew back then is scattered to the four winds or passed on.
But whenever I think of our old street they are all alive at one of the annual Memorial Day block parties, the fathers sharing war stories and beers off by themselves, sometimes me and my friend Jack would
sneak into nearby shrubs to listen which backfired one time when Mr. Van Heck caught us as they were exchanging stories/lies about the women they "met" overseas and he kicked Jack in the rear
but missed me as I fled down the street.
One thing I remember at the 1st block party- the men would often have their shirts off as many portable pools had been set up in the front yards for the party - and I asked my Nurse mom about
their scars/burns or with Van Heck, a gouge that had been torn out of his side - she reminded me that many of the dads had been in WW 2 and Korea and had suffered and it wasn't like the movies
which left a deep impression on me.
One time we actually asked Mr. Van Heck about his wound and he said a native in North Africa had done it with an assegai spear! I had visions of a Tarzan movie as I believed him.
Okay, went off on a tangent here.

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Luther's nephew Dobie wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:50 pm
ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:23 am
Luther's nephew Dobie wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:48 am
ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:20 pm
robicurp wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:10 pm Five-0 is available now free on Amazon's Freevee app. Since I'm a child of the 60's (born in 1960) I've started watching it again. Its so cool to experience the 60's era in this classic show. Some of it seems cheesy now days, but its greatly enjoyable. I like picking out the landmarks from later seen in MPI. Lots of episodes used Robins Nest estate. The show does show much of the grittier side of Hawaii. Its a show that would never be aired today because of all the political incorrectness. But to me that makes it even more interesting, to see how much our society has changed for better and worse.
One detail that stands out to me is the number of characters who are sweaty in the show, but never McGarret! even in his full suit and tie :)
Yep, it's a fantastic show. My all-time favorite! It's been available on FreeVee for a long while now. I own all the seasons (except 10) on DVD so that's my preferred viewing method of this cool show! 8) The first 6 seasons are excellent - the show at its full peak. Seasons 7 thru 9 are down just a notch but still very good. Season 10 is where the show takes a considerable downturn in quality and 11 and 12 only get worse. Although 11 did have the excellent "The Skyline Killer" (the last truly great Five-O episode) which should have been the series finale. Season 12 was definitely not needed.
Well said Ivan, I would love to hear you and Mr. Mike on a podcast.
I remember that CBS hyped the show all summer before it aired, all 8 of us in our house gathered around to watch. It was far more exciting than any other show you could mention that
was on the air at the time, it crackled with energy. After, the kids in the neighborhood,school, were all talking about it while the poor slobs who missed it listened enviously while
making a mental note to whine and nag their parents into watching it next week.
(with just 3 networks, if a series landed with a huge impact, most everyone you knew shared in the experience)
I knew when a series or movie had greatly entertained/amused my father and gotten his seal of approval as he would have my mom make us all Black Cows(root beer floats) - yum - the ultimate accolade.
Hawaii Five -0 then a Black Cow, you bet I remember that night.
The only other series that I recall making such an impact, that I recall the day it first aired was "Adam-12" which NBC had greatly hyped all summer as well.
Dang, Dobie! You had a front row seat to watch and experience the unfolding of a TV masterpiece! :D Man, to be there in the summer of '68 and watch all the buildup to this classic series and then to sit down on one September evening and to witness that first image of a man in a red rubber suit floating in a cylindrical chamber known as the Cocoon, accompanied by that eerie Morton Stevens score. Did you actually watch that pilot episode with your dad? How old were you?
Ivan,
No kidding, the new Fall seasons back then were an event, promoted in newspapers and mags, and CBS had to have realized - after showing the pilot to a picked audience at some Hollywood venue -
they had a winner, especially with that big budget. And remember, you still had Hawaii Mania going strong - Hawaiian Eye profited from it big time - and what could be more thrilling than winning a trip
there on a game show, the viewers eyes lit up as the emcee described the trip, it seemed so exotic and far, far, far away from our experiences at Sandy Hook, no hula girls there.
CBS constantly ran one commercial of the cops swarming aboard the ship, it was so cool, my brother Greg who was my mentor then deemed it 'must see' every time the ad ran which was plenty.
Throw in the 8 of us gathered around the RCA set, sharing the excitement, it became a shared family memory as well.
As opposed to daytime when we were all off doing our own thing.
Dinner and a really special TV show/movie we could all comment on, laughing at my bro's wise guy remarks or yelling at me to pipe down or the old man saying he had been 'here/there' in the army
or on assignment overseas from Merck, these were some of my fondest childhood memories, served with a Black Cow.
At the time Hawaii Five -O first aired I was in third grade at Grant School in Westfield, so I was nine.
Our family had a house there for 40 years at a time people didn't move much, but every single person we knew back then is scattered to the four winds or passed on.
But whenever I think of our old street they are all alive at one of the annual Memorial Day block parties, the fathers sharing war stories and beers off by themselves, sometimes me and my friend Jack would
sneak into nearby shrubs to listen which backfired one time when Mr. Van Heck caught us as they were exchanging stories/lies about the women they "met" overseas and he kicked Jack in the rear
but missed me as I fled down the street.
One thing I remember at the 1st block party- the men would often have their shirts off as many portable pools had been set up in the front yards for the party - and I asked my Nurse mom about
their scars/burns or with Van Heck, a gouge that had been torn out of his side - she reminded me that many of the dads had been in WW 2 and Korea and had suffered and it wasn't like the movies
which left a deep impression on me.
One time we actually asked Mr. Van Heck about his wound and he said a native in North Africa had done it with an assegai spear! I had visions of a Tarzan movie as I believed him.
Okay, went off on a tangent here.
Hey Dobie,
I’m a bit younger but remember all the retirees in my neighborhood growing up seemed to be veterans of WWII and a few Korea. There were about 16 million who served in total! They would tell war stories ocassionally.

I very much remember the new fall TV season being a BIG deal. There were all the ads, and I couldn’t wait for the thicker TV Guide before the premiere week with reviews of all the new shows. I would pour over it for days. Fond memories!

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Pahonu wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:14 am
Luther's nephew Dobie wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:50 pm
ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:23 am
Luther's nephew Dobie wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:48 am
ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:20 pm
Yep, it's a fantastic show. My all-time favorite! It's been available on FreeVee for a long while now. I own all the seasons (except 10) on DVD so that's my preferred viewing method of this cool show! 8) The first 6 seasons are excellent - the show at its full peak. Seasons 7 thru 9 are down just a notch but still very good. Season 10 is where the show takes a considerable downturn in quality and 11 and 12 only get worse. Although 11 did have the excellent "The Skyline Killer" (the last truly great Five-O episode) which should have been the series finale. Season 12 was definitely not needed.
Well said Ivan, I would love to hear you and Mr. Mike on a podcast.
I remember that CBS hyped the show all summer before it aired, all 8 of us in our house gathered around to watch. It was far more exciting than any other show you could mention that
was on the air at the time, it crackled with energy. After, the kids in the neighborhood,school, were all talking about it while the poor slobs who missed it listened enviously while
making a mental note to whine and nag their parents into watching it next week.
(with just 3 networks, if a series landed with a huge impact, most everyone you knew shared in the experience)
I knew when a series or movie had greatly entertained/amused my father and gotten his seal of approval as he would have my mom make us all Black Cows(root beer floats) - yum - the ultimate accolade.
Hawaii Five -0 then a Black Cow, you bet I remember that night.
The only other series that I recall making such an impact, that I recall the day it first aired was "Adam-12" which NBC had greatly hyped all summer as well.
Dang, Dobie! You had a front row seat to watch and experience the unfolding of a TV masterpiece! :D Man, to be there in the summer of '68 and watch all the buildup to this classic series and then to sit down on one September evening and to witness that first image of a man in a red rubber suit floating in a cylindrical chamber known as the Cocoon, accompanied by that eerie Morton Stevens score. Did you actually watch that pilot episode with your dad? How old were you?
Ivan,
No kidding, the new Fall seasons back then were an event, promoted in newspapers and mags, and CBS had to have realized - after showing the pilot to a picked audience at some Hollywood venue -
they had a winner, especially with that big budget. And remember, you still had Hawaii Mania going strong - Hawaiian Eye profited from it big time - and what could be more thrilling than winning a trip
there on a game show, the viewers eyes lit up as the emcee described the trip, it seemed so exotic and far, far, far away from our experiences at Sandy Hook, no hula girls there.
CBS constantly ran one commercial of the cops swarming aboard the ship, it was so cool, my brother Greg who was my mentor then deemed it 'must see' every time the ad ran which was plenty.
Throw in the 8 of us gathered around the RCA set, sharing the excitement, it became a shared family memory as well.
As opposed to daytime when we were all off doing our own thing.
Dinner and a really special TV show/movie we could all comment on, laughing at my bro's wise guy remarks or yelling at me to pipe down or the old man saying he had been 'here/there' in the army
or on assignment overseas from Merck, these were some of my fondest childhood memories, served with a Black Cow.
At the time Hawaii Five -O first aired I was in third grade at Grant School in Westfield, so I was nine.
Our family had a house there for 40 years at a time people didn't move much, but every single person we knew back then is scattered to the four winds or passed on.
But whenever I think of our old street they are all alive at one of the annual Memorial Day block parties, the fathers sharing war stories and beers off by themselves, sometimes me and my friend Jack would
sneak into nearby shrubs to listen which backfired one time when Mr. Van Heck caught us as they were exchanging stories/lies about the women they "met" overseas and he kicked Jack in the rear
but missed me as I fled down the street.
One thing I remember at the 1st block party- the men would often have their shirts off as many portable pools had been set up in the front yards for the party - and I asked my Nurse mom about
their scars/burns or with Van Heck, a gouge that had been torn out of his side - she reminded me that many of the dads had been in WW 2 and Korea and had suffered and it wasn't like the movies
which left a deep impression on me.
One time we actually asked Mr. Van Heck about his wound and he said a native in North Africa had done it with an assegai spear! I had visions of a Tarzan movie as I believed him.
Okay, went off on a tangent here.
Hey Dobie,
I’m a bit younger but remember all the retirees in my neighborhood growing up seemed to be veterans of WWII and a few Korea. There were about 16 million who served in total! They would tell war stories ocassionally.

I very much remember the new fall TV season being a BIG deal. There were all the ads, and I couldn’t wait for the thicker TV Guide before the premiere week with reviews of all the new shows. I would pour over it for days. Fond memories!
Pahonu,
I was the same as you, when the premiere week TV Guide came out I went down town and bought one. Ivan was right, it was special anticipating the coming of Hawaii Five-O and then getting to
see the start of one of the best TV shows ever. But then to later see the last few seasons, what a let down.
Danno should have booked the entire production team but he was gone by then.

As for the Vets and their stories, the only way I got to hear them was by eavesdropping as my father and uncles would not talk about it in front of us except rarely.

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#1825 Post by ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) »

Luther's nephew Dobie wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:50 pm
ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:23 am
Luther's nephew Dobie wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:48 am
ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:20 pm
robicurp wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:10 pm Five-0 is available now free on Amazon's Freevee app. Since I'm a child of the 60's (born in 1960) I've started watching it again. Its so cool to experience the 60's era in this classic show. Some of it seems cheesy now days, but its greatly enjoyable. I like picking out the landmarks from later seen in MPI. Lots of episodes used Robins Nest estate. The show does show much of the grittier side of Hawaii. Its a show that would never be aired today because of all the political incorrectness. But to me that makes it even more interesting, to see how much our society has changed for better and worse.
One detail that stands out to me is the number of characters who are sweaty in the show, but never McGarret! even in his full suit and tie :)
Yep, it's a fantastic show. My all-time favorite! It's been available on FreeVee for a long while now. I own all the seasons (except 10) on DVD so that's my preferred viewing method of this cool show! 8) The first 6 seasons are excellent - the show at its full peak. Seasons 7 thru 9 are down just a notch but still very good. Season 10 is where the show takes a considerable downturn in quality and 11 and 12 only get worse. Although 11 did have the excellent "The Skyline Killer" (the last truly great Five-O episode) which should have been the series finale. Season 12 was definitely not needed.
Well said Ivan, I would love to hear you and Mr. Mike on a podcast.
I remember that CBS hyped the show all summer before it aired, all 8 of us in our house gathered around to watch. It was far more exciting than any other show you could mention that
was on the air at the time, it crackled with energy. After, the kids in the neighborhood,school, were all talking about it while the poor slobs who missed it listened enviously while
making a mental note to whine and nag their parents into watching it next week.
(with just 3 networks, if a series landed with a huge impact, most everyone you knew shared in the experience)
I knew when a series or movie had greatly entertained/amused my father and gotten his seal of approval as he would have my mom make us all Black Cows(root beer floats) - yum - the ultimate accolade.
Hawaii Five -0 then a Black Cow, you bet I remember that night.
The only other series that I recall making such an impact, that I recall the day it first aired was "Adam-12" which NBC had greatly hyped all summer as well.
Dang, Dobie! You had a front row seat to watch and experience the unfolding of a TV masterpiece! :D Man, to be there in the summer of '68 and watch all the buildup to this classic series and then to sit down on one September evening and to witness that first image of a man in a red rubber suit floating in a cylindrical chamber known as the Cocoon, accompanied by that eerie Morton Stevens score. Did you actually watch that pilot episode with your dad? How old were you?
Ivan,
No kidding, the new Fall seasons back then were an event, promoted in newspapers and mags, and CBS had to have realized - after showing the pilot to a picked audience at some Hollywood venue -
they had a winner, especially with that big budget. And remember, you still had Hawaii Mania going strong - Hawaiian Eye profited from it big time - and what could be more thrilling than winning a trip
there on a game show, the viewers eyes lit up as the emcee described the trip, it seemed so exotic and far, far, far away from our experiences at Sandy Hook, no hula girls there.
CBS constantly ran one commercial of the cops swarming aboard the ship, it was so cool, my brother Greg who was my mentor then deemed it 'must see' every time the ad ran which was plenty.
Throw in the 8 of us gathered around the RCA set, sharing the excitement, it became a shared family memory as well.
As opposed to daytime when we were all off doing our own thing.
Dinner and a really special TV show/movie we could all comment on, laughing at my bro's wise guy remarks or yelling at me to pipe down or the old man saying he had been 'here/there' in the army
or on assignment overseas from Merck, these were some of my fondest childhood memories, served with a Black Cow.
At the time Hawaii Five -O first aired I was in third grade at Grant School in Westfield, so I was nine.
Our family had a house there for 40 years at a time people didn't move much, but every single person we knew back then is scattered to the four winds or passed on.
But whenever I think of our old street they are all alive at one of the annual Memorial Day block parties, the fathers sharing war stories and beers off by themselves, sometimes me and my friend Jack would
sneak into nearby shrubs to listen which backfired one time when Mr. Van Heck caught us as they were exchanging stories/lies about the women they "met" overseas and he kicked Jack in the rear
but missed me as I fled down the street.
One thing I remember at the 1st block party- the men would often have their shirts off as many portable pools had been set up in the front yards for the party - and I asked my Nurse mom about
their scars/burns or with Van Heck, a gouge that had been torn out of his side - she reminded me that many of the dads had been in WW 2 and Korea and had suffered and it wasn't like the movies
which left a deep impression on me.
One time we actually asked Mr. Van Heck about his wound and he said a native in North Africa had done it with an assegai spear! I had visions of a Tarzan movie as I believed him.
Okay, went off on a tangent here.
Wow, amazing memories you have there, Dobie. Of your neighborhood and the anticipation of the Fall TV season. Sure am just a bit jealous of ya. :wink: A third grader in love with Five-O! I know for me at that age or that grade (actually 6th grade) KNIGHT RIDER was right up my alley. It was the best thing I ever saw on TV at that time. Of course by that time KR was being shown in reruns - this was the early 90s. I know when you were that age it was long before KR. So I'm sure you had other favorites. What was your favorite show on TV at that time? BONANZA maybe? ANDY GRIFFITH? Especially before FIVE-O hit the airwaves. Oh, and did your dad have any qualms about you watching FIVE-O at a pretty young age? It was a fairly violent show for its time, especially the early seasons. A killing pretty much opened every episode, many times multiple deaths in an episode.

Boy, I remember those TV guides. Our neighbor used to give me his a week later after he was done with it! :lol: He noticed I was fascinated with leafing through his and checking out the schedules and looking at the pics of various actors and reading the small synopses of various movies and TV show episodes and who starred in them. So he said he would just give me his copies after he was done with them. I think I was around 13 or 14 when my fascination began with TV, movies, actors, etc. I remember first the TV guides in the 90s were the larger ones - maybe 11x8 inches. Then they got smaller but thicker towards the end of the 90s - maybe 7x5 inches. Can't remember when they discontinued them. Or do they still have them?

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Wow, amazing memories you have there, Dobie. Of your neighborhood and the anticipation of the Fall TV season. Sure am just a bit jealous of ya. :wink: A third grader in love with Five-O! I know for me at that age or that grade (actually 6th grade) KNIGHT RIDER was right up my alley. It was the best thing I ever saw on TV at that time. Of course by that time KR was being shown in reruns - this was the early 90s. I know when you were that age it was long before KR. So I'm sure you had other favorites. What was your favorite show on TV at that time? BONANZA maybe? ANDY GRIFFITH? Especially before FIVE-O hit the airwaves. Oh, and did your dad have any qualms about you watching FIVE-O at a pretty young age? It was a fairly violent show for its time, especially the early seasons. A killing pretty much opened every episode, many times multiple deaths in an episode.

Boy, I remember those TV guides. Our neighbor used to give me his a week later after he was done with it! :lol: He noticed I was fascinated with leafing through his and checking out the schedules and looking at the pics of various actors and reading the small synopses of various movies and TV show episodes and who starred in them. So he said he would just give me his copies after he was done with them. I think I was around 13 or 14 when my fascination began with TV, movies, actors, etc. I remember first the TV guides in the 90s were the larger ones - maybe 11x8 inches. Then they got smaller but thicker towards the end of the 90s - maybe 7x5 inches. Can't remember when they discontinued them. Or do they still have them?
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Ivan,
My fave shows when I was in 3rd grade were probably Bonanza, TAGS, Get Smart,Hogans Heroes and reruns of Superman, Jonny Quest, the 3 Stooges. I was low man on the totem pole and my brothers
generally determined what we watched at night.
My parents never worried about violence in Hawaii Five - O, as we were well aware it was Hollywood and not real and that it was grand entertainment. It never occurred to my friend's
parents either. If we had known any kid our age who thought TV was real we would have mocked him.

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CBS Entertainment Press Release - Oct. 30, 2014:

Through the past five years, HAWAII FIVE-0 has often honored the original “Hawaii Five-O” series with references to its predecessor hidden within the episodes.
In celebration of the 100th episode that airs Friday, Nov. 7 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT), following is a list of those nods to the legendary original series hidden within the current one.


1.    Pilot – McGarrett’s 1974 Mercury Marquis is the actual car from the original series. It was owned by Jack Lord himself and is seen several times throughout the series.

2.    Pilot – “Book’em Danno” – The most famous line from the original series was said for the first time in the pilot and often repeated throughout the series.

3.     Pilot – Danny (Scott Caan) is the only member of Five-0 to wear a shirt and tie – similar to how the original Five-O team always wore suits to the office.

4.     102 “Ohana” (Family) – Kono (Grace Park) first refers to McGarrett as “Boss” in this episode and continues throughout series. Kono on the original series often called McGarrett “Boss.”

5.     103 “Malama Ka Aina” (Respect the Land) – In this episode, the mother who took Grace (Teilor Grubbs) to hide in the bathroom is played by Helen Kuoha-Torco. Helen was the original
Tahitian dancer featured in the main credits of the original series.

6.     104 “Lanakila” (Victory) – McGarrett’s sister, Mary Ann McGarrett (Taryn Manning), shares the same name as McGarrett’s sister in the original series.

7.     105 “Nalowale” (Lost) – First appearance of Dr. Max Bergman (Masi Oka), named after the main Medical Examiner in the original series.

8.     107 “Ho’apono” (Innocent) – Robert Loggia plays retired Navy man Ed McKay and also played an ex-cop named Russell Hendrix in “The Execution File” episode of the original series.

9.     109 “Po’ipu” (The Siege) – Ric Young, who plays General Pak, also played a travel agent (as Eric Young) in the episode “Nine Dragons” in the original series.

10.    109 “Po’ipu” (The Siege) – McGarrett (Alex O’Loughlin) gives his address as 2727 Piikoi St. In the original series, Steve McGarrett also lived on Piikoi St.

11.     112 “Hana ‘a’a Makehewa” (Desperate Measures) – We first meet Sgt. Duke Lukela, played by Dennis Chun. Dennis not only had a few smaller roles in the original series, but he is also the
son of Kam Fong who played the original Chin Ho Kelly.

12.     112 “Hana ‘a’a Makehewa” (Desperate Measures) – Wo Fat (Mark Dacascos) makes his first appearance. Wo Fat was the main bad guy on the original “Hawaii Five-O.”

13.      113 “Ke Kinohi” (Beginning) – We first meet surf shop owner and instructor Mamo Kahike played by Al Harrington. Al played series regular Ben Kokua in the original “Hawaii Five-O.”

14.      118 “Loa Aloha” (Long Goodbye) – Clyde Kusatsu, who plays Judge Kamalei, also appeared in the original show’s ninth season episode “Yes, My Deadly Daughter.”

15.     119 “Na Me’e Laua Na Paio” (Heroes and Villains) – The episode features the first appearance of recurring character Jenna Kaye as a CIA analyst.
Jenna is a nod to original series character Chief of Pacific Operations Counter Intelligence Jonathan Kaye.

16.    121 “Ho’opa’I” (Vengeance) – While interrogating Agent Marsh, McGarrett says “I answer to God and to the Governor, neither of whom are going to help you right now.”
This is a reference to the original series pilot “Cocoon” when it’s said Steve McGarrett only takes orders from the Governor and God, “and sometimes even they have trouble.”

17.      As of Season Two, McGarrett’s Silverado’s license plate reads F6-3958, a nod to the original series where Jack Lord’s McGarrett had this plate number for his personal state issued car,
used for both the 1968 Park Lane and 1974 Marquis Brougham.

18.      202 “Ua Lawe Wale” (Taken) – Homeland Security Agent Lori Weston, played by Lauren German, is a reference to Det. Lori Wilson, the member of Five-O in the final season.

19.      202 “Ua Lawe Wale (Taken) – Tom Sizemore plays Captain Fryer in Internal Affairs. This is a nod to the original series character Bernie Fryer, who was also a big shot in Internal Affairs.

20.       219 “Kalele” (Faith) – Ed Asner reprises his role as renowned smuggler August March from the original series episode “Wooden Model of a Rat.”

21.       219 “Kalele” (Faith) – In August March’s home, we see a collection of miniature sculptures from Japan. These sculptures are a wink to how in the original series episode, March framed
McGarrett for stealing one of these priceless statues.

22.       223 “Ua Hala” (Death in the Family) – Karl Herlinger, playing Toothpick, had a small role as “Baseball Kid” in the premiere of Hawaii Five-O’s final season.

23.       302 “Kanalua” (Doubt) –Ed Asner once again makes a ‘final’ appearance as original series villain August March.

24.       303 “Lana I Ka Moana” (Adrift) – While fishing, McGarrett wears an unusual straw hat, a nod to the style of hats Steve McGarrett (Jack Lord) wore in the original series.

25.        307 “Ohuna” (The Secret) – Russell Wong, who plays Kong Kiang, also appeared in the 1997 pilot as Nick Wong, an FBI agent who the Lt. Gov. appoints to be co-director of Five-O.

26.        315 “Hookman” – For the new series, undoubtedly the biggest homage to the original Hawaii Five-O is the remake of fan-favorite “Hookman.”
With a modern day update of the story and using original locations, shot compositions, original title and style of opening credits, the cast and crew created a meticulous reboot
of this original episode.

27.       315 “Hookman” – Local character actor Terry Plunkett, who played several small roles over the years in the original series, makes an appearance as the Mailbox Proprietor.

28.        Season Four makes its first use of the original Five-O theme as the score during the show. The theme can be heard in episodes 401, 407 and 422.

29.       401 “Aloha Kekahi I Ke Kahi” (We Need Each Other) – Capt. Grover was an original series character that Five-O meets in the seventh season episode, “The Hostage.”

30.       407 “Ua Nalohia” (In Deep) – Cathy Foy, who plays coffeehouse waitress Nani, appeared in the original series twice. Once as a receptionist in “Head to Head,” and again as a
telephone operator in “Though the Heavens Fall.”

31.       413 “Hana Lokomaika’I” (The Favor) – Chin Ho’s father is named Kam Tong, a nod to Kam Fong, the actor who played the original Chin Ho Kelly.

32.       415 “Pale ‘la” (Buried Secrets) – Clara Williams gets her name from Danny’s aunt in the original series. Interestingly, on the original series, Clara Williams is played by Helen Hayes,
the real-life mother of original Danno, James MacArthur.

33.       501 “A’ohe Kai e Pe’e Ai” (Nowhere to Hide) – After getting a call from the drone pilot, Sgt. Duke Lukela tells Pua to “Patch him through to McGarrett.” This line was used in the original series.

The 100th episode of HAWAII FIVE-0 will be broadcast Friday, Nov. 7 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

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From the blog of Steven Pressfield (author of "The Legend of Bagger Vance"), on writing and Jack Lord's vision of Steve McGarrett.



Writing Wednesdays: The Jack Lord Rule

Remember Jack Lord? He played Steve McGarrett on the original Hawaii Five-O.

Jack Lord had a rule for himself as a character. The rule was: “I don’t ask questions. I answer them.”

I learned this from my friend Ernie Pintoff, who directed a gaggle of Hawaii Five-Os back in the day.
According to Ernie, every time a script called for Jack Lord’s character to ask a question, Jack would stop the scene and refuse to read the line.

“I don’t ask questions,” he would say. “I answer them.”

When I first heard this, I thought, “What an insufferable egomaniac! People ask questions in real life.
Particularly detectives, which is the role Jack Lord is playing. What’s his problem? Ask the freakin’ question!”

But Jack Lord was right.

What he understood (and I didn’t) was that he wasn’t playing a real person, he was playing a hero—and heroes are different from you and me.

This is a critical lesson for any young writer. We want our characters to be “real.” We want our heroes to be “relatable.” But characters are not real and heroes are not normal.
They can’t be. If they were, they wouldn’t be heroes.

The hero drives the story. That’s his job. He (or she) is the one whose choices and actions turn the narrative and propel it forward toward the climax.

In Shawn’s new book The Story Grid, coming this Spring, he cites Robert McKee’s principle that the protagonist of any novel or movie must be physically and emotionally capable
of pursuing his or her object of desire “to the end of the line.”
What McKee means is that the hero cannot stop short of the ultimate act that the story requires.
If he does, the reader or moviegoer feels cheated, even outraged. Luke Skywalker must attack the Death Star while trusting the Force; Captain Ahab has to go down lashed to Moby Dick;
Clarice Starling must enter Buffalo Bill’s lair alone and in total darkness.

You or I, in real life, might not be so heroic. We might get off the train one or two stops before the end of the line. That’s why we’re not heroes. Heroes go all the way.

It is not a crime for us as writers to craft a hero who is smarter, tougher, and ballsier than we are. In fact we have to. The story, any story, demands it.

But back to the Jack Lord Rule.

Certainly a hero in a novel or a movie is permitted to ask a question. Jake Gittes did. Sam Spade. Dirty Harry.
We don’t want to take Jack Lord’s Rule too literally. But when the hero asks a question, he makes sure it’s a question that drives the story forward—and it’s a question that nobody but the hero could have asked.

Heroes, by the way, do not have to be granite-jawed leading men like Jack Lord. Think of Duncan (Liam James), the ultra-dorky 14-year-old protagonist of The Way, Way Back.
Heroes don’t come any nerdier than Duncan or more cowed by life. But before we judge him too hastily, let’s watch Duncan in action through the lens of the Jack Lord Rule.

True, Duncan starts off taking brutal psychological abuse from his mom’s boyfriend Trent (a very nasty Steve Carell).
But in the end Duncan stands up to this tormentor. He confronts his mother Pam (Toni Collette) in a fiery scene at a nighttime barbecue.
Duncan summons the guts to bolt from his family. He finds a job on his own (at the Water Wizz water park). He makes new friends; he finds an honorable mentor (Sam Rockwell). He creates a secret life for himself. He acquires a new and much cooler identity (“Pop n’ Lock”). Duncan even holds his ground with a sympathetic Susanna (Anna Sophia Robb), the girl he has a crush on, refusing to be untrue to himself.

Supernerd Duncan drives the action.

He is a hero.

He’s Jack Lord.


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Luther's nephew Dobie wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:57 am
From the blog of Steven Pressfield (author of "The Legend of Bagger Vance"), on writing and Jack Lord's vision of Steve McGarrett.



Writing Wednesdays: The Jack Lord Rule

Remember Jack Lord? He played Steve McGarrett on the original Hawaii Five-O.

Jack Lord had a rule for himself as a character. The rule was: “I don’t ask questions. I answer them.”

I learned this from my friend Ernie Pintoff, who directed a gaggle of Hawaii Five-Os back in the day.
According to Ernie, every time a script called for Jack Lord’s character to ask a question, Jack would stop the scene and refuse to read the line.

“I don’t ask questions,” he would say. “I answer them.”

When I first heard this, I thought, “What an insufferable egomaniac! People ask questions in real life.
Particularly detectives, which is the role Jack Lord is playing. What’s his problem? Ask the freakin’ question!”

But Jack Lord was right.

What he understood (and I didn’t) was that he wasn’t playing a real person, he was playing a hero—and heroes are different from you and me.

This is a critical lesson for any young writer. We want our characters to be “real.” We want our heroes to be “relatable.” But characters are not real and heroes are not normal.
They can’t be. If they were, they wouldn’t be heroes.

The hero drives the story. That’s his job. He (or she) is the one whose choices and actions turn the narrative and propel it forward toward the climax.

In Shawn’s new book The Story Grid, coming this Spring, he cites Robert McKee’s principle that the protagonist of any novel or movie must be physically and emotionally capable
of pursuing his or her object of desire “to the end of the line.”
What McKee means is that the hero cannot stop short of the ultimate act that the story requires.
If he does, the reader or moviegoer feels cheated, even outraged. Luke Skywalker must attack the Death Star while trusting the Force; Captain Ahab has to go down lashed to Moby Dick;
Clarice Starling must enter Buffalo Bill’s lair alone and in total darkness.

You or I, in real life, might not be so heroic. We might get off the train one or two stops before the end of the line. That’s why we’re not heroes. Heroes go all the way.

It is not a crime for us as writers to craft a hero who is smarter, tougher, and ballsier than we are. In fact we have to. The story, any story, demands it.

But back to the Jack Lord Rule.

Certainly a hero in a novel or a movie is permitted to ask a question. Jake Gittes did. Sam Spade. Dirty Harry.
We don’t want to take Jack Lord’s Rule too literally. But when the hero asks a question, he makes sure it’s a question that drives the story forward—and it’s a question that nobody but the hero could have asked.

Heroes, by the way, do not have to be granite-jawed leading men like Jack Lord. Think of Duncan (Liam James), the ultra-dorky 14-year-old protagonist of The Way, Way Back.
Heroes don’t come any nerdier than Duncan or more cowed by life. But before we judge him too hastily, let’s watch Duncan in action through the lens of the Jack Lord Rule.

True, Duncan starts off taking brutal psychological abuse from his mom’s boyfriend Trent (a very nasty Steve Carell).
But in the end Duncan stands up to this tormentor. He confronts his mother Pam (Toni Collette) in a fiery scene at a nighttime barbecue.
Duncan summons the guts to bolt from his family. He finds a job on his own (at the Water Wizz water park). He makes new friends; he finds an honorable mentor (Sam Rockwell). He creates a secret life for himself. He acquires a new and much cooler identity (“Pop n’ Lock”). Duncan even holds his ground with a sympathetic Susanna (Anna Sophia Robb), the girl he has a crush on, refusing to be untrue to himself.

Supernerd Duncan drives the action.

He is a hero.

He’s Jack Lord.


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Enjoyed that article about Jack Lord! :) From what I've read about Jack he could be a tough taskmaster on set and quite opinionated about his vision and how things should be. Apparently he even demanded a certain side of his profile that the camera capture - he felt he looked best from a certain angle. He also didn't tolerate joking on set and was quite serious and demanding. Apparently be brought certain actors (mainly locals with limited acting experience) to tears when he would blow up at them for flubbing or forgetting their lines. Then there's the whole Lord vs. Zulu debacle that I'm sure you heard about - I think it was the Coast Guard honoring Zulu (Kono) instead of Lord which sent Jack overboard (no pun intended) since he was "the star" and not Zulu. According to Lord there was only one star on the show and everyone else was a "supporting player". After that Coast Guard incident Zulu himself said that he knew his days were numbered. Of course there was also some anti-Semitic remark that apparently also led to Zulu being fired (producer Leonard Freeman being Jewish). And it was Freeman's idea to replace Zulu with Al Harrington as Ben which again Jack Lord didn't like because Harrington was too tall and this didn't set well with Jack. He didn't want anyone to upstage him. Harrington said that once Lenny Freeman died "the writing was on the wall" and out he went. So "The Lord" (as the cast would sometimes call him behind his back) could be quite egotistical. Not a good character trait to be sure. That all said, the show just wouldn't be what it was without Jack Lord. Maybe he wasn't easy to get along with but boy did he understand the character he played and boy did he put everything into that character!! One of the most iconic characters on television for sure and you can book that!!!

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ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 5:58 pm
Luther's nephew Dobie wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:57 am
From the blog of Steven Pressfield (author of "The Legend of Bagger Vance"), on writing and Jack Lord's vision of Steve McGarrett.



Writing Wednesdays: The Jack Lord Rule

Remember Jack Lord? He played Steve McGarrett on the original Hawaii Five-O.

Jack Lord had a rule for himself as a character. The rule was: “I don’t ask questions. I answer them.”

I learned this from my friend Ernie Pintoff, who directed a gaggle of Hawaii Five-Os back in the day.
According to Ernie, every time a script called for Jack Lord’s character to ask a question, Jack would stop the scene and refuse to read the line.

“I don’t ask questions,” he would say. “I answer them.”

When I first heard this, I thought, “What an insufferable egomaniac! People ask questions in real life.
Particularly detectives, which is the role Jack Lord is playing. What’s his problem? Ask the freakin’ question!”

But Jack Lord was right.

What he understood (and I didn’t) was that he wasn’t playing a real person, he was playing a hero—and heroes are different from you and me.

This is a critical lesson for any young writer. We want our characters to be “real.” We want our heroes to be “relatable.” But characters are not real and heroes are not normal.
They can’t be. If they were, they wouldn’t be heroes.

The hero drives the story. That’s his job. He (or she) is the one whose choices and actions turn the narrative and propel it forward toward the climax.

In Shawn’s new book The Story Grid, coming this Spring, he cites Robert McKee’s principle that the protagonist of any novel or movie must be physically and emotionally capable
of pursuing his or her object of desire “to the end of the line.”
What McKee means is that the hero cannot stop short of the ultimate act that the story requires.
If he does, the reader or moviegoer feels cheated, even outraged. Luke Skywalker must attack the Death Star while trusting the Force; Captain Ahab has to go down lashed to Moby Dick;
Clarice Starling must enter Buffalo Bill’s lair alone and in total darkness.

You or I, in real life, might not be so heroic. We might get off the train one or two stops before the end of the line. That’s why we’re not heroes. Heroes go all the way.

It is not a crime for us as writers to craft a hero who is smarter, tougher, and ballsier than we are. In fact we have to. The story, any story, demands it.

But back to the Jack Lord Rule.

Certainly a hero in a novel or a movie is permitted to ask a question. Jake Gittes did. Sam Spade. Dirty Harry.
We don’t want to take Jack Lord’s Rule too literally. But when the hero asks a question, he makes sure it’s a question that drives the story forward—and it’s a question that nobody but the hero could have asked.

Heroes, by the way, do not have to be granite-jawed leading men like Jack Lord. Think of Duncan (Liam James), the ultra-dorky 14-year-old protagonist of The Way, Way Back.
Heroes don’t come any nerdier than Duncan or more cowed by life. But before we judge him too hastily, let’s watch Duncan in action through the lens of the Jack Lord Rule.

True, Duncan starts off taking brutal psychological abuse from his mom’s boyfriend Trent (a very nasty Steve Carell).
But in the end Duncan stands up to this tormentor. He confronts his mother Pam (Toni Collette) in a fiery scene at a nighttime barbecue.
Duncan summons the guts to bolt from his family. He finds a job on his own (at the Water Wizz water park). He makes new friends; he finds an honorable mentor (Sam Rockwell). He creates a secret life for himself. He acquires a new and much cooler identity (“Pop n’ Lock”). Duncan even holds his ground with a sympathetic Susanna (Anna Sophia Robb), the girl he has a crush on, refusing to be untrue to himself.

Supernerd Duncan drives the action.

He is a hero.

He’s Jack Lord.


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Enjoyed that article about Jack Lord! :) From what I've read about Jack he could be a tough taskmaster on set and quite opinionated about his vision and how things should be. Apparently he even demanded a certain side of his profile that the camera capture - he felt he looked best from a certain angle. He also didn't tolerate joking on set and was quite serious and demanding. Apparently be brought certain actors (mainly locals with limited acting experience) to tears when he would blow up at them for flubbing or forgetting their lines. Then there's the whole Lord vs. Zulu debacle that I'm sure you heard about - I think it was the Coast Guard honoring Zulu (Kono) instead of Lord which sent Jack overboard (no pun intended) since he was "the star" and not Zulu. According to Lord there was only one star on the show and everyone else was a "supporting player". After that Coast Guard incident Zulu himself said that he knew his days were numbered. Of course there was also some anti-Semitic remark that apparently also led to Zulu being fired (producer Leonard Freeman being Jewish). And it was Freeman's idea to replace Zulu with Al Harrington as Ben which again Jack Lord didn't like because Harrington was too tall and this didn't set well with Jack. He didn't want anyone to upstage him. Harrington said that once Lenny Freeman died "the writing was on the wall" and out he went. So "The Lord" (as the cast would sometimes call him behind his back) could be quite egotistical. Not a good character trait to be sure. That all said, the show just wouldn't be what it was without Jack Lord. Maybe he wasn't easy to get along with but boy did he understand the character he played and boy did he put everything into that character!! One of the most iconic characters on television for sure and you can book that!!!
Ivan,
Thanks for citing the specific problem(s) with Zulu that caused the rift. As for Lord, I think you summed him up perfectly. He did create a great character and had an ego, but what great
star outside Robert Mitchum and James Garner didn't? Like William Shatner, Lord was the pivot point of the show. Along with the pressure and the biggest workload both understood what made
their character click, as you noted, and beyond that was responsible for 100's of people in the production taking home a paycheck. I would be a little impressed with myself as well if I was in
that position. I like Jack Lord, he and his wife gave away millions to local charities and school kids thru the Jack and Marie Lord Foundation.
After Jack passed and then his wife, everything they owned down to their cat's food dish was turned into cash and given to the Hawaiian people in various ways.
That's a life well lived.
Samoan Al Harrington went to college and was buddies with Nick Reynolds and Bob Shane of the Kingston Trio. Okay, nobody on these boards but me remember them but they made the song
Tom Dooley famous and sold millions of records in the Folk Era.
The six foot one and 1/2 inch Harrington appeared in Forrest Gump. How tall was Lord that he loomed over him, I always was under the impression he was very tall.
Okay, I just looked that up, Jack was 6 foot even, why worry over an inch and a half? What a putz.
Harrington died in 2021, according to sources that left Sharon Farrell as the last regular cast member still alive, passing away herself in 2023.
Sort of regular Dennis Chun(Kam Fong's son) who had many roles on both Hawaii Five-O's, is still alive, I guess he is the last man standing.

"Who made me Big Daddy to the world?...Steve McGarrett Episode - "Once Upon a Time"

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