It Got By The Censor/In Jokes

[Chris109]

Everyone knows about Kirk's stalacdick:



But, I can't be the only one in over 55 years that saw a stalagdick in the same scene. And it even has it's own cock ring.



And, if it becomes a new internet meme or whatever, remember, you heard (saw) it here first.

[Luther's nephew Dobie]

Everyone knows about Kirk's stalacdick:



And, if it becomes a new internet meme or whatever, remember, you heard (saw) it here first.

Chris 109,
Rumor has it Roddenberry borrowed these props from infamous 1960's "Plaster Caster" groupie Cynthia Albritton's collection.
The Forrest Tucker 'Anaconda' model.
6 minute clip:
The Legend Of Forrest Tucker (1997) narrated by Jim Birdsall voice of NFL Films - YouTube

Tucker actually was in the cavalry before WW 2 and sat a horse like they were one animal. He was very well liked in Hollywood.
His two guest starring stints on Gunsmoke as a cavalry sergeant were a homage to his F-Troop character down to the exact
same uniform.

[Luther's nephew Dobie]

Maverick "The Fenian Men" (Dec.18, 1960)

A drunken Beau Maverick( Roger Moore) is being helped to his room by his Irish drinking companions when Arthur Shields ab-libs to him
"Going my way?"
A taken aback Moore drops the drunk act for one beat to grimace at this awful in joke then recovers and resumes his Otis Campbell imitation.

Shields of course is the lookalike brother of the most famous Irish character actor in history, Barry Fitzgerald, who won an Oscar for the Bing Crosby
starring "Going My Way".

Warner Brothers TV series often made veiled references to other Warner productions.
Later in this episode Colonel Summers dismisses Beau's suggestion that he call in his Sergeant Major:
"Mr. Maverick, I have no time for sergeants."

"No Time for Sergeants" was a Warner Brothers movie based on the smash Broadway play that made Andy Griffith a star and that also featured Don Knotts.

[Chris109]

The Wild, Wild West's "The Night of the Flying Pie Plate" from 1966 had a certain reference. The name of the saloon was The Glory Hole.

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

The Wild, Wild West's "The Night of the Flying Pie Plate" from 1966 had a certain reference. The name of the saloon was The Glory Hole.

So what's the in-joke?

[Pahonu]

The Wild, Wild West's "The Night of the Flying Pie Plate" from 1966 had a certain reference. The name of the saloon was The Glory Hole.

So what's the in-joke?

American Heritage Dictionary Entry:

glory hole:

Vulgar Slang, A hole in a wall, especially in a bathroom stall or a booth, used for engaging in anonymous sexual activity

It has other meanings, including the small opening in the blast furnace of a glass blower, but as a saloon name… I think the sexual meaning was implied.

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

The Wild, Wild West's "The Night of the Flying Pie Plate" from 1966 had a certain reference. The name of the saloon was The Glory Hole.

So what's the in-joke?

American Heritage Dictionary Entry:

glory hole:

Vulgar Slang, A hole in a wall, especially in a bathroom stall or a booth, used for engaging in anonymous sexual activity

It has other meanings, including the small opening in the blast furnace of a glass blower, but as a saloon name… I think the sexual meaning was implied.

I guess you learn something new everyday. Never heard of that one.

[Luther's nephew Dobie]

On his show Dick Cavett brought up Steve McQueen in The Great Escape to his co-star James Garner.
Garner said Steve did the motorcycle riding scenes himself in the movie as the director figured it would keep him happy on set.

In the famous chase scene McQueen's Captain Hilts character is racing from a squad of Germans in various vehicles.
The German motorcyclist in pursuit is actually McQueen in a Nazi uniform, probably the first time an actor is chasing himself.

However the iconic shots of Steve jumping the border fence at the end was done by a stuntman - for safety reasons - over McQueen's objections.
Till Garner spilled the beans most everyone assumed Steve had also done the jump which was immortalized by a huge selling poster that was on every
other teen's bedroom or college dorm wall and that cemented Steve's rep as the coolest guy in Hollywood.

The bike itself was actually a (1962) 650 cc Triumph disguised to look like a BMW because McQueen refused to ride on a German motorcycle.
After the movie ended production, the bike was given to the German farmer whose land was used for the filming of that scene.
After he died his son left it in a cow shed untouched for 15 years.
Now restored and displayed in the Triumph plant in Leicestershire, England, it is currently valued at 1.5 million British pounds.

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"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
- Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

[Chris109]

On his show Dick Cavett brought up Steve McQueen in The Great Escape to his co-star James Garner.
Garner said Steve did the motorcycle riding scenes himself in the movie as the director figured it would keep him happy on set.

In the famous chase scene McQueen's Captain Hilts character is racing from a squad of Germans in various vehicles.
The German motorcyclist in pursuit is actually McQueen in a Nazi uniform, probably the first time an actor is chasing himself.

However the iconic shots of Steve jumping the border fence at the end was done by a stuntman - for safety reasons - over McQueen's objections.
Till Garner spilled the beans most everyone assumed Steve had also done the jump which was immortalized by a huge selling poster that was on every
other teen's bedroom or college dorm wall and that cemented Steve's rep as the coolest guy in Hollywood.

The bike itself was actually a (1962) 650 cc Triumph disguised to look like a BMW because McQueen refused to ride on a German motorcycle.
After the movie ended production, the bike was given to the German farmer whose land was used for the filming of that scene.
After he died his son left it in a cow shed untouched for 15 years.
Now restored and displayed in the Triumph plant in Leicestershire, England, it is currently valued at 1.5 million British pounds.

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"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
- Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

Reminds me of something I saw regarding McQueen. During filming of the Magnificent Seven, whenever McQueen and Yul Brynner were in a scene together, McQueen would constantly be doing something when Brynner was doing his lines. One thing I recall was at the beginning of the film, Brynner was talking and McQueen was fiddling with his hat to attention away from Brynner.

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment ... es-Bronson

[Luther's nephew Dobie]

On his show Dick Cavett brought up Steve McQueen in The Great Escape to his co-star James Garner.
Garner said Steve did the motorcycle riding scenes himself in the movie as the director figured it would keep him happy on set.

In the famous chase scene McQueen's Captain Hilts character is racing from a squad of Germans in various vehicles.
The German motorcyclist in pursuit is actually McQueen in a Nazi uniform, probably the first time an actor is chasing himself.

However the iconic shots of Steve jumping the border fence at the end was done by a stuntman - for safety reasons - over McQueen's objections.
Till Garner spilled the beans most everyone assumed Steve had also done the jump which was immortalized by a huge selling poster that was on every
other teen's bedroom or college dorm wall and that cemented Steve's rep as the coolest guy in Hollywood.

The bike itself was actually a (1962) 650 cc Triumph disguised to look like a BMW because McQueen refused to ride on a German motorcycle.
After the movie ended production, the bike was given to the German farmer whose land was used for the filming of that scene.
After he died his son left it in a cow shed untouched for 15 years.
Now restored and displayed in the Triumph plant in Leicestershire, England, it is currently valued at 1.5 million British pounds.

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"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
- Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

Reminds me of something I saw regarding McQueen. During filming of the Magnificent Seven, whenever McQueen and Yul Brynner were in a scene together, McQueen would constantly be doing something when Brynner was doing his lines. One thing I recall was at the beginning of the film, Brynner was talking and McQueen was fiddling with his hat to attention away from Brynner.

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment ... es-Bronson

That's true about Steve but the bits of business he did to steal focus almost always made the scene better, wether the star got mad or not. Like the scene in Magnificent Seven when
he bent down to scoop up a hat full of water as the Seven crossed a stream, or played with his hat, it LOOKED good and lent nuance. It's not like he started doing jumping jacks, he
had put thought into it, else the director would have reshot or edited it out.
I like his movies, even if James Garner said "You could always see him acting." That's true but beside the point, he had that star quality, he had personality, we wanted to see
"Steve McQueen" in every role and that's what we got.
Just an aside Chris, but that Express site is a little iffy with it's facts in order to sell a good story.
In one story they had hard as nails, growing up poor and tough, Kirk Douglas bursting into tears because his best friend Burt Lancaster teased him about his height.
Total BS, they were like brothers, guys like that would rib each other mercilessly and it was "ain't no big thing, bruddah" as Kono on Hawaii 5-0 would say.
And the idea that Charles Bronson would be upset at McQueen's antics is beyond BS, he wouldn't give a phuck about such stuff.
Bronson was a stone blue collar Ukrainian from the Pennsylvania coal fields, the real deal. Everything just rolled off his back, he said if he lost every nickel and
could no longer act he'd just pick up a shovel and go back in the mines.
The best interview he ever did was on Dick Cavett, Charlie the working stiff- afraid of enclosed spaces like his Mag 7 character - from the coal mines let it all hang out.
Cavett knew he had struck gold and expertly hit the right buttons to keep Bronson going. No ego, no BS, no needy actor garbage, a refreshing change from almost
every other interview with an actor I have ever seen. He made me a fan whereas before I merely liked him.
Ah well, they don't make 'em like that anymore, today stars have a hissy fit if there are yellow M & M's in their candy bowl when they had demanded in their
contract they were to be removed.

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"When Shemp pours on the charm, no dame can resist him!"- Moe

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

Bronson was a stone blue collar Ukrainian

Which makes him even cooler, in my book! Although I think he was actually Lithuanian. Wikipedia says his father was a Lithuanian Tatar which I didn't even know was a thing. Didn't know there were any Tatars in Lithuania. But maybe it just means he was a Tatar who happened to be born in Lithuania. In any case the last name of Buchinsky certainly sounds either Ukrainian or Polish. Not Lithuanian or Tatar. It says his mom was Lithuanian too. So I'm not sure where the Buckinsky last name comes from.

Charlie the working stiff- afraid of enclosed spaces like his Mag 7 character - from the coal mines let it all hang out.

Afraid of enclosed spaces was his Great Escape character.

[Luther's nephew Dobie]

Bronson was a stone blue collar Ukrainian

Which makes him even cooler, in my book! Although I think he was actually Lithuanian. Wikipedia says his father was a Lithuanian Tatar which I didn't even know was a thing. Didn't know there were any Tatars in Lithuania. But maybe it just means he was a Tatar who happened to be born in Lithuania. In any case the last name of Buchinsky certainly sounds either Ukrainian or Polish. Not Lithuanian or Tatar. It says his mom was Lithuanian too. So I'm not sure where the Buckinsky last name comes from.

Charlie the working stiff- afraid of enclosed spaces like his Mag 7 character - from the coal mines let it all hang out.

Afraid of enclosed spaces was his Great Escape character.

Hi Ivan,
I am pretty certain he claimed he had people from Ukraine but I am always happy to be corrected. I will watch Bronson on Cavett when that episode airs again.
However, I just did a search, one site said he was Polish, another half Polish and half "Slav"(which covers a lot of territory and besides is a language group, not a race or particular nation).
Another site said Lithuanian of Polish extraction, another that he changed his name because in the 1950's his "Russian" name would be a drawback.
This might be in part because we Americans are abysmally educated in regards to foreign countries, plus the Slavs were the enemy for 45 years during the Cold War
and were the "other" so why bother sorting out who is who. Much less finding them on a map.
Plus as you know over the centuries the borders changed.
After WW1 millions of Ukrainians wound up in Poland, Belarus, or in other once subject nations of the Czar like Lithuania.
So Bronson could be a Ukrainian-Lithuanian(with part Polish blood) the same as I am half Ukrainian-American.
My grandmother was Ukrainian but her family lived in Belarus,in an area that was part of Poland pre-WW 2.
She spoke a mix of Ukrainian/Russian/Polish plus a little Yiddish to talk to her Jewish neighbors. Heck there was millions of German ethnics scattered thru Eastern Europe as well.
I guess what I am saying is it is reasonable for there to be confusion as to exact "bloodlines".
Also, rather than having to conduct a geography/history class and explain what a Ukraine or Belarus was, some of my cousins would just say 'Russian' when asked about their
heritage, maybe Bronson did the same. To confuse this all the more, the original Rus were actually a Viking tribe. Norsemen.
When warring factions near Kiev couldn't agree who among them should rule, they accepted the Norseman Rurik, hence afterwards they were Russians.
Okay, I am really going down the rabbit hole here, it gets very complicated.

Good catch on me putting in The Magnificent Seven for The Great Escape, I can't believe I did that, doh!
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"Sometimes it seems to me that half the world lives on fear and the other half lives in it.
Surprising what can happen when just one or two people decide to stop being afraid."
Marshal Dan Troop(John Russell) of "Lawman"

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

Bronson was a stone blue collar Ukrainian

Which makes him even cooler, in my book! Although I think he was actually Lithuanian. Wikipedia says his father was a Lithuanian Tatar which I didn't even know was a thing. Didn't know there were any Tatars in Lithuania. But maybe it just means he was a Tatar who happened to be born in Lithuania. In any case the last name of Buchinsky certainly sounds either Ukrainian or Polish. Not Lithuanian or Tatar. It says his mom was Lithuanian too. So I'm not sure where the Buckinsky last name comes from.

Charlie the working stiff- afraid of enclosed spaces like his Mag 7 character - from the coal mines let it all hang out.

Afraid of enclosed spaces was his Great Escape character.

Hi Ivan,
I am pretty certain he claimed he had people from Ukraine but I am always happy to be corrected. I will watch Bronson on Cavett when that episode airs again.
However, I just did a search, one site said he was Polish, another half Polish and half "Slav"(which covers a lot of territory and besides is a language group, not a race or particular nation).
Another site said Lithuanian of Polish extraction, another that he changed his name because in the 1950's his "Russian" name would be a drawback.
This might be in part because we Americans are abysmally educated in regards to foreign countries, plus the Slavs were the enemy for 45 years during the Cold War
and were the "other" so why bother sorting out who is who. Much less finding them on a map.
Plus as you know over the centuries the borders changed.
After WW1 millions of Ukrainians wound up in Poland, Belarus, or in other once subject nations of the Czar like Lithuania.
So Bronson could be a Ukrainian-Lithuanian(with part Polish blood) the same as I am half Ukrainian-American.
My grandmother was Ukrainian but her family lived in Belarus,in an area that was part of Poland pre-WW 2.
She spoke a mix of Ukrainian/Russian/Polish plus a little Yiddish to talk to her Jewish neighbors. Heck there was millions of German ethnics scattered thru Eastern Europe as well.
I guess what I am saying is it is reasonable for there to be confusion as to exact "bloodlines".
Also, rather than having to conduct a geography/history class and explain what a Ukraine or Belarus was, some of my cousins would just say 'Russian' when asked about their
heritage, maybe Bronson did the same. To confuse this all the more, the original Rus were actually a Viking tribe. Norsemen.
When warring factions near Kiev couldn't agree who among them should rule, they accepted the Norseman Rurik, hence afterwards they were Russians.
Okay, I am really going down the rabbit hole here, it gets very complicated.

Good catch on me putting in The Magnificent Seven for The Great Escape, I can't believe I did that, doh!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Sometimes it seems to me that half the world lives on fear and the other half lives in it.
Surprising what can happen when just one or two people decide to stop being afraid."
Marshal Dan Troop(John Russell) of "Lawman"

Yeah there's definitely been a lot of confusion as to what Bronson's background really is. My mom actually thinks he looks like a Chukchi, which is basically like a Siberian version of Eskimo. Which I agree that he does. He has a bit of that Asian look around his face and eyes. He looks more Chukchi than Tatar if you ask me.

one site said he was Polish, another half Polish and half "Slav"

That's funny. That's like saying half Polish and half Polish. Since Polish are Slavs.

Also, rather than having to conduct a geography/history class and explain what a Ukraine or Belarus was, some of my cousins would just say 'Russian' when asked about their heritage

Oh that was a big no-no in our household. When we immigrated in 1991 (just a few months before the collapse of the Soviet Union) we made sure we stressed that we were from Ukraine, not Russia. Even though we got many confused looks as to what this "Ukraine" is. I was only in 5th grade but whenever I tried to explain that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union which just broke up I immediately got the reaction "Oh so you're from Russia!" Grrr, that used to drive me up the wall!!! I would say that no, I lived nowhere near Russia. I lived in the city of Lviv which was just a few miles from the Polish border. Nowhere near Russia. My dad actually told me that I should just say that I'm Polish in order to avoid confusion. He said if you say you're Polish then they won't call you Russian. "But I'm NOT Polish" I would tell my dad. And I'm not Russian either. I'm Ukrainian and that's what I told everyone. Someone once even asked "Did you say you're Korean?" No kidding! I responded "Do I look Korean?". I blame the American education system!

[Chris109]

Bronson was a stone blue collar Ukrainian

Which makes him even cooler, in my book! Although I think he was actually Lithuanian. Wikipedia says his father was a Lithuanian Tatar which I didn't even know was a thing. Didn't know there were any Tatars in Lithuania. But maybe it just means he was a Tatar who happened to be born in Lithuania. In any case the last name of Buchinsky certainly sounds either Ukrainian or Polish. Not Lithuanian or Tatar. It says his mom was Lithuanian too. So I'm not sure where the Buckinsky last name comes from.

Charlie the working stiff- afraid of enclosed spaces like his Mag 7 character - from the coal mines let it all hang out.

Afraid of enclosed spaces was his Great Escape character.

Hi Ivan,
I am pretty certain he claimed he had people from Ukraine but I am always happy to be corrected. I will watch Bronson on Cavett when that episode airs again.
However, I just did a search, one site said he was Polish, another half Polish and half "Slav"(which covers a lot of territory and besides is a language group, not a race or particular nation).
Another site said Lithuanian of Polish extraction, another that he changed his name because in the 1950's his "Russian" name would be a drawback.
This might be in part because we Americans are abysmally educated in regards to foreign countries, plus the Slavs were the enemy for 45 years during the Cold War
and were the "other" so why bother sorting out who is who. Much less finding them on a map.
Plus as you know over the centuries the borders changed.
After WW1 millions of Ukrainians wound up in Poland, Belarus, or in other once subject nations of the Czar like Lithuania.
So Bronson could be a Ukrainian-Lithuanian(with part Polish blood) the same as I am half Ukrainian-American.
My grandmother was Ukrainian but her family lived in Belarus,in an area that was part of Poland pre-WW 2.
She spoke a mix of Ukrainian/Russian/Polish plus a little Yiddish to talk to her Jewish neighbors. Heck there was millions of German ethnics scattered thru Eastern Europe as well.
I guess what I am saying is it is reasonable for there to be confusion as to exact "bloodlines".
Also, rather than having to conduct a geography/history class and explain what a Ukraine or Belarus was, some of my cousins would just say 'Russian' when asked about their
heritage, maybe Bronson did the same. To confuse this all the more, the original Rus were actually a Viking tribe. Norsemen.
When warring factions near Kiev couldn't agree who among them should rule, they accepted the Norseman Rurik, hence afterwards they were Russians.
Okay, I am really going down the rabbit hole here, it gets very complicated.

Good catch on me putting in The Magnificent Seven for The Great Escape, I can't believe I did that, doh!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Sometimes it seems to me that half the world lives on fear and the other half lives in it.
Surprising what can happen when just one or two people decide to stop being afraid."
Marshal Dan Troop(John Russell) of "Lawman"

Yeah there's definitely been a lot of confusion as to what Bronson's background really is. My mom actually thinks he looks like a Chukchi, which is basically like a Siberian version of Eskimo. Which I agree that he does. He has a bit of that Asian look around his face and eyes. He looks more Chukchi than Tatar if you ask me.

one site said he was Polish, another half Polish and half "Slav"

That's funny. That's like saying half Polish and half Polish. Since Polish are Slavs.

Also, rather than having to conduct a geography/history class and explain what a Ukraine or Belarus was, some of my cousins would just say 'Russian' when asked about their heritage

Oh that was a big no-no in our household. When we immigrated in 1991 (just a few months before the collapse of the Soviet Union) we made sure we stressed that we were from Ukraine, not Russia. Even though we got many confused looks as to what this "Ukraine" is. I was only in 5th grade but whenever I tried to explain that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union which just broke up I immediately got the reaction "Oh so you're from Russia!" Grrr, that used to drive me up the wall!!! I would say that no, I lived nowhere near Russia. I lived in the city of Lviv which was just a few miles from the Polish border. Nowhere near Russia. My dad actually told me that I should just say that I'm Polish in order to avoid confusion. He said if you say you're Polish then they won't call you Russian. "But I'm NOT Polish" I would tell my dad. And I'm not Russian either. I'm Ukrainian and that's what I told everyone. Someone once even asked "Did you say you're Korean?" No kidding! I responded "Do I look Korean?". I blame the American education system!

Getting pissed off because some 5th graders didn't know what Ukraine was? The education system doesn't really revolve around what is happening in Europe, at least not at that time. That reminds me of a few days after 9/11. A muslim had their prayer rug out and praying outside a Walmart. Police were called cause of it was not an every day occurrence. Person was questioned. He was yelling that he was praying and people should know that they pray so many times a day. Excuse me? Everyone is supposed to know what every religion, or person's intentions are? Back during the cold war era, it was easier to say 'Russia', than the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics or even the Soviet Union. Of course, saying the Soviet Union gave the impression that that whole territory was united. My niece once asked, "If they are the Soviet Union, why are they breaking up?"

But, I digress from my original thought. I was going to say that the Coalition of Communities of Color consider the Slavic people to be people of color.

https://www.coalitioncommunitiescolor.o ... ng-profile

And since I am Polish, and therefore a minority, I want to know how I can get into Harvard thru Affirmative Action.

[Luther's nephew Dobie]

Okay guys, we are roaming far off the reservation, and I am as guilty as anyone, here and in other threads. So back to "In Jokes":

These were sent to me by one of my spies -

1) On Arrested Development Barry Zuckerkorn (Henry Winkler) jumpes over a shark, a nod to Winkler's "The Fonz" jumping the shark while water skiing on Happy Days.
Which infamously did signal the series decline.

2) In an episode of The A Team the guys are in a studio in Hollywood. Face(Dirk Benedict) points to a Cylon from Battlestar Galactica as it walks by them. Dirk had earlier starred in that series.

3) On the series Numb3rs, Alan Eppes (Judd Hirsch of "Taxi" fame) turns on the TV and is greeted by the theme from Taxi, considered one of the finest series themes ever created.

4) In Clint Eastwood's classic Dirty Harry(1971), Harry walks by a movie theater that is showing Play Misty For Me. Also in the movies beginning, the director of many a Eastwood flick,
Don Siegel, plays the bartender Murph.

An aside from me:
The movie "A Christmas Story"(1983) was written by my mom's classmate, the radio legend and author Jean Shepherd, whose childhood antics were the the inspiration for both the movie
and his influential(Seinfeld a huge fan) WOR radio show.
Flick and most all the characters were real people, they are in my mom's yearbook, which a fan offered me $500 for(Shep had signed it).
Flick in later years owned a bar my uncles went to.
A crazed woman fan of Shep's radio show did stalk him, just as in "Play Misty," actually inspiring the film.
Shepherd himself appears in "A Christmas Story". He is the bearded gent that tells the kid "Ralphie" not to cut in the long line waiting to see Santa.

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