All For One (2) (5.16)

[Croix de Lorraine]

I like the ending. The irony of Rick killing the girl's father, the apparently selfish Tyler sacrificing himself for those children and finally the sweet rest of the warriors.

[SignGuyHPW]

Good episode even though it seemed to move kind of slow in the begining.

I'm not sure how the major was able to shake off being blown up like it was nothing. He must have been really, really tough. I thought the part with Rick falling in love and wanting to marry the girl was a bit much. They'd done it so much with him that I think it lost a little of the impact here. Instead of thinking, "wow, he must not be thinking clearly about this. He's only known her a few hours and most of those he was delerious" I thought, "oh, this again."

The parts where TC and Joe interacted were really great. TC running out to get the kid's body in hopes that he may be alive despite the heavy fire around him was a pretty dramatic scene. The guys being helpless as the woman was shot above them was also pretty dramatic. Once it was wrapped up and they went back to their normal lives it was a great metaphor for what happens in war.

[ENSHealy]

EPISODE: All For One (Part Two)

Famous guest stars:

Hawaiian shirts: 1
Tigers Cap:

Island Hopper shirts: 1
Shirtless Magnum:
OMG:
Higgins Organizations:
Higgins musings:
Negotiations:
Body Count: 1 – Only counting Major Thieu, not all the extras
Bullet wounds:
Little Voice:
I know what you’re thinking:
When I write HTBAWCPI:
Investigator corrections:
4th wall breaks:
Magnumometer: 3
Magnumometer Moments: https://vimeo.com/566759476

[Blackmamba]

My favorite moment? Higgins driving up in that truck with a stogie in his mouth! Very believable.

[charybdis1966]

This story had so many A Team overtones - did they just lift some incidental music from that programme onto MPI as it was just TC instead of BA Baracus ? I believe the Post/Carpenter team worked on both series.

That gripe aside this was a counterbalance to the proliferation of light-hearted “fluff” episodes in season 5.

The darkest scene was TM’s monologue while McKinney’s shrieks from being tortured were heard occasionally.
Higgins showed he was a courageous man when he said he’d go next after McKinney was brought back, a bloodied and bruised mess.

The final scene back at the estate did bring into sharp relief how the war never really left TM, TC and Rick.

Despite some cheesy interludes this one made me think.

[Luther's nephew Dobie]

This story had so many A Team overtones - did they just lift some incidental music from that programme onto MPI as it was just TC instead of BA Baracus ? I believe the Post/Carpenter team worked on both series.

That gripe aside this was a counterbalance to the proliferation of light-hearted “fluff” episodes in season 5.
The darkest scene was TM’s monologue while McKinney’s shrieks from being tortured were heard occasionally.
Higgins showed he was a courageous man when he said he’d go next after McKinney was brought back, a bloodied and bruised mess.
The final scene back at the estate did bring into sharp relief how the war never really left TM, TC and Rick.
Despite some cheesy interludes this one made me think.

It struck that while this 2 parter is a prominent episode teeming with subtext which give a searing insight into who Magnum and the boys are,
there have been a grand total of 20 comments since 2007 while some inferior episodes have reams of replies.

[charybdis1966]

It struck that while this 2 parter is a prominent episode teeming with subtext which give a searing insight into who Magnum and the boys are,
there have been a grand total of 20 comments since 2007 while some inferior episodes have reams of replies.

Yes, that occurred to me too; the only thing I can think of to rationalise this is maybe a lot of people have commented on the Part 1 thread for the whole two parter instead.

[Luther's nephew Dobie]

It struck that while this 2 parter is a prominent episode teeming with subtext which give a searing insight into who Magnum and the boys are,
there have been a grand total of 20 comments since 2007 while some inferior episodes have reams of replies.

Yes, that occurred to me too; the only thing I can think of to rationalise this is maybe a lot of people have commented on the Part 1 thread for the whole two parter instead.

Hi Charybdis1966,
You are right of course, I came across All For One (5.16) without thinking to check the comments for the first part, 5.15.
Color me red for I was one of many posting there about this excellent 2 parter, but once you get over 900 comments on the MM boards you forget what you posted.
The most chilling moment we discussed there was when Higgins reluctantly translated to Magnum what the Thai hooker said to and about Rick, that she was looking into the eyes of a dead man.
What a stone, soulless bitch and what good writing. How many other series would have included such a moment?

[charybdis1966]

Hi Charybdis1966,
You are right of course, I came across All For One (5.16) without thinking to check the comments for the first part, 5.15.
Color me red for I was one of many posting there about this excellent 2 parter, but once you get over 900 comments on the MM boards you forget what you posted.
The most chilling moment we discussed there was when Higgins reluctantly translated to Magnum what the Thai hooker said to and about Rick, that she was looking into the eyes of a dead man.
What a stone, soulless bitch and what good writing. How many other series would have included such a moment?
[/quote]

You’re so right about forgetting what you’ve posted. I’m only in the 200 and something number of posts and I have several times in the last few months watched an episode for what I think is the first time and then looked at the relevant thread and found a comment from myself from about 9 years ago saying how much I liked or disliked it.
The trouble is my opinions back then don’t even always agree with what I think now !
It feels like I’m contradicting myself when that happens.

[Treadwell]

Funny how editing works out: Part 1 apparently came up short, hence the extended teaser and end credits.

THIS one probably has the shortest end credits of the series!

[SeamanWolfe]

Just re watched this for the first time in at least 30 years. Seeing Robert Forrester really chew the scenery (about 10-15 years before an amazing performance in Jackie Brown) really surprised me. I thought the director might have been playing the episode a little over the top. However Magnum talking about cam lai was one of the best acted scenes in the whole series. In total a good episode in what was a weaker than most season.

Did anyone else think the Robert Forrester character was way over the top?

[Luther's nephew Dobie]

Just re watched this for the first time in at least 30 years. Seeing Robert Forrester really chew the scenery (about 10-15 years before an amazing performance in Jackie Brown) really surprised me. I thought the director might have been playing the episode a little over the top. However Magnum talking about cam lai was one of the best acted scenes in the whole series. In total a good episode in what was a weaker than most season.

Did anyone else think the Robert Forrester character was way over the top?

Hi SeamanWolfe,
I think the role, the character the way it was written called for Forrester to perform the way he did. At least in my opinion.
He's got to motivate seasoned combat veterans - he has no way to compel them - to illegally go back and commit unsanctioned acts that would get them in trouble with the enemy and their own government.
I'll say one thing though, not many stars of an action series like Magnum PI would have let such a guest role happen to begin with, as Forrester dominated every scene he was in.
Selleck through out the whole series let his co-stars/guests shine, as like Jack Benny with his "road company" it reflected well on all involved and made the series better.

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Route 66 (Where There's a Will, There's a Way)
"Death ain't so bad is it. I mean as long as we're around it hasn't hit us, and when it hits us we're not around."
Leon Tiffin(Patrick O'Neal)

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

Just re watched this for the first time in at least 30 years. Seeing Robert Forrester really chew the scenery (about 10-15 years before an amazing performance in Jackie Brown) really surprised me. I thought the director might have been playing the episode a little over the top. However Magnum talking about cam lai was one of the best acted scenes in the whole series. In total a good episode in what was a weaker than most season.

Did anyone else think the Robert Forrester character was way over the top?

Hi SeamanWolfe,
I think the role, the character the way it was written called for Forrester to perform the way he did. At least in my opinion.
He's got to motivate seasoned combat veterans - he has no way to compel them - to illegally go back and commit unsanctioned acts that would get them in trouble with the enemy and their own government.
I'll say one thing though, not many stars of an action series like Magnum PI would have let such a guest role happen to begin with, as Forrester dominated every scene he was in.
Selleck through out the whole series let his co-stars/guests shine, as like Jack Benny with his "road company" it reflected well on all involved and made the series better.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Route 66 (Where There's a Will, There's a Way)
"Death ain't so bad is it. I mean as long as we're around it hasn't hit us, and when it hits us we're not around."
Leon Tiffin(Patrick O'Neal)

I had to wince every time you and Seaman Wolfe said "Forrester". It's Robert Forster. I've been a fan of his ever since his turn as the Middle Eastern terrorist/head hijacker in the 1986 Chuck Norris actioner THE DELTA FORCE. I was a huge fan of this film and Chuck Norris in general growing up! During the 80s Forster was a pretty big star in the B-movie or direct-to-video genre. It wasn't until JACKIE BROWN where Tarantino "rediscovered" him and all of a sudden he began popping up in A-productions. But I agree with you that Forster's acting in MPI was deliberate - he was the ultimate gung-ho soldier. A full-sized G.I. Joe! He had to be larger than life to get these guys to get off their butts and go with him, especially since they hated his guts! He was a walking recruitment poster. Outtasight!! Forster was indeed great in the part and yes it was gracious of Selleck to basically move over and let Forster take over and take center stage in this adventure! Can you image Jack Lord allowing something like this to happen on Five-O? No way!

By the way, I really like your Route 66 quote. Very true.

[Luther's nephew Dobie]

Just re watched this for the first time in at least 30 years. Seeing Robert Forrester really chew the scenery (about 10-15 years before an amazing performance in Jackie Brown) really surprised me. I thought the director might have been playing the episode a little over the top. However Magnum talking about cam lai was one of the best acted scenes in the whole series. In total a good episode in what was a weaker than most season.

Did anyone else think the Robert Forrester character was way over the top?

Hi SeamanWolfe,
I think the role, the character the way it was written called for Forrester to perform the way he did. At least in my opinion.
He's got to motivate seasoned combat veterans - he has no way to compel them - to illegally go back and commit unsanctioned acts that would get them in trouble with the enemy and their own government.
I'll say one thing though, not many stars of an action series like Magnum PI would have let such a guest role happen to begin with, as Forrester dominated every scene he was in.
Selleck through out the whole series let his co-stars/guests shine, as like Jack Benny with his "road company" it reflected well on all involved and made the series better.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Route 66 (Where There's a Will, There's a Way)
"Death ain't so bad is it. I mean as long as we're around it hasn't hit us, and when it hits us we're not around."
Leon Tiffin(Patrick O'Neal)

I had to wince every time you and Seaman Wolfe said "Forrester". It's Robert Forster. I've been a fan of his ever since his turn as the Middle Eastern terrorist/head hijacker in the 1986 Chuck Norris actioner THE DELTA FORCE. I was a huge fan of this film and Chuck Norris in general growing up! During the 80s Forster was a pretty big star in the B-movie or direct-to-video genre. It wasn't until JACKIE BROWN where Tarantino "rediscovered" him and all of a sudden he began popping up in A-productions. But I agree with you that Forster's acting in MPI was deliberate - he was the ultimate gung-ho soldier. A full-sized G.I. Joe! He had to be larger than life to get these guys to get off their butts and go with him, especially since they hated his guts! He was a walking recruitment poster. Outtasight!! Forster was indeed great in the part and yes it was gracious of Selleck to basically move over and let Forster take over and take center stage in this adventure! Can you image Jack Lord allowing something like this to happen on Five-O? No way!

By the way, I really like your Route 66 quote. Very true.

Hi Ivan,
I can't believe I misspelled Forster's name! What a maroon, to quote B. Bunny. I couldn't see the forster for the trees.
Forster and Steve Ihnat(Garth in "Whom Gods Destroy", Star Trek) were actors whom everyone in Hollywood knew were great talents but somehow never had the chance/circumstances
to make the leap into major stardom.
I got a laugh at your out of your idea of Lord allowing a gifted scene stealer to upstage him. Too bad Don Rickles couldn't have guested, with him and Steve stuck with each other in a safe house,
Steve in his "civvies" as Don made sport of them - "hey McGarrett, where'd you get those duds, a garage sale at Phyllis Diller's house?"
As I have always had a pet theory that the wardrobe people - at producer Freeman's behest? - purposely dressed an unsuspecting Lord in effeminate off duty clothing to kid him.
Sheesh, when we holidayed down the shore my mom wore the same style loud blouses as McGarrett did along with the straw hat and purple lilac scarves.
Joe Mannix wouldn't be caught dead in one of those outfits, Corporal Klinger as well.

As for the Route 66 quote, writer Stirling Silliphant, widely regarded as one of the top writers of TV episodes ever, packed so many good lines into Route 66 shows they have to be viewed 2 or
3 times to catch them all. Though the episode I cited above wasn't very good, despite being the series ender. On the other hand Martin Milner got to marry Barbara Eden and head off into
the sunset with her, so I'm sure his character Tod was happy. I would be dancing and turning somersaults.
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Route 66
Tod(Martin Milner) to Linc(Glenn Corbett), the 1st Vietnam vet to be portrayed on TV. Linc, like Magnum, is a special forces vet looking/searching to redeem the years
he missed while being in the service:

"The Greeks lied about Narcissus. He didn't fall in love with himself.
He'd never known what love was. So he couldn't accept it or reject it.
He could just look for it.
When he saw his own image reflected in that pool of water, he didn't fall in love with
himself, he fell in hate with himself."

Linc to Janie: "Stop looking in mirrors, Janie. There are windows all around."

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

Just re watched this for the first time in at least 30 years. Seeing Robert Forrester really chew the scenery (about 10-15 years before an amazing performance in Jackie Brown) really surprised me. I thought the director might have been playing the episode a little over the top. However Magnum talking about cam lai was one of the best acted scenes in the whole series. In total a good episode in what was a weaker than most season.

Did anyone else think the Robert Forrester character was way over the top?

Hi SeamanWolfe,
I think the role, the character the way it was written called for Forrester to perform the way he did. At least in my opinion.
He's got to motivate seasoned combat veterans - he has no way to compel them - to illegally go back and commit unsanctioned acts that would get them in trouble with the enemy and their own government.
I'll say one thing though, not many stars of an action series like Magnum PI would have let such a guest role happen to begin with, as Forrester dominated every scene he was in.
Selleck through out the whole series let his co-stars/guests shine, as like Jack Benny with his "road company" it reflected well on all involved and made the series better.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Route 66 (Where There's a Will, There's a Way)
"Death ain't so bad is it. I mean as long as we're around it hasn't hit us, and when it hits us we're not around."
Leon Tiffin(Patrick O'Neal)

I had to wince every time you and Seaman Wolfe said "Forrester". It's Robert Forster. I've been a fan of his ever since his turn as the Middle Eastern terrorist/head hijacker in the 1986 Chuck Norris actioner THE DELTA FORCE. I was a huge fan of this film and Chuck Norris in general growing up! During the 80s Forster was a pretty big star in the B-movie or direct-to-video genre. It wasn't until JACKIE BROWN where Tarantino "rediscovered" him and all of a sudden he began popping up in A-productions. But I agree with you that Forster's acting in MPI was deliberate - he was the ultimate gung-ho soldier. A full-sized G.I. Joe! He had to be larger than life to get these guys to get off their butts and go with him, especially since they hated his guts! He was a walking recruitment poster. Outtasight!! Forster was indeed great in the part and yes it was gracious of Selleck to basically move over and let Forster take over and take center stage in this adventure! Can you image Jack Lord allowing something like this to happen on Five-O? No way!

By the way, I really like your Route 66 quote. Very true.

Hi Ivan,
I can't believe I misspelled Forster's name! What a maroon, to quote B. Bunny. I couldn't see the forster for the trees.
Forster and Steve Ihnat(Garth in "Whom Gods Destroy", Star Trek) were actors whom everyone in Hollywood knew were great talents but somehow never had the chance/circumstances
to make the leap into major stardom.
I got a laugh at your out of your idea of Lord allowing a gifted scene stealer to upstage him. Too bad Don Rickles couldn't have guested, with him and Steve stuck with each other in a safe house,
Steve in his "civvies" as Don made sport of them - "hey McGarrett, where'd you get those duds, a garage sale at Phyllis Diller's house?"
As I have always had a pet theory that the wardrobe people - at producer Freeman's behest? - purposely dressed an unsuspecting Lord in effeminate off duty clothing to kid him.
Sheesh, when we holidayed down the shore my mom wore the same style loud blouses as McGarrett did along with the straw hat and purple lilac scarves.
Joe Mannix wouldn't be caught dead in one of those outfits, Corporal Klinger as well.

As for the Route 66 quote, writer Stirling Silliphant, widely regarded as one of the top writers of TV episodes ever, packed so many good lines into Route 66 shows they have to be viewed 2 or
3 times to catch them all. Though the episode I cited above wasn't very good, despite being the series ender. On the other hand Martin Milner got to marry Barbara Eden and head off into
the sunset with her, so I'm sure his character Tod was happy. I would be dancing and turning somersaults.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Route 66
Tod(Martin Milner) to Linc(Glenn Corbett), the 1st Vietnam vet to be portrayed on TV. Linc, like Magnum, is a special forces vet looking/searching to redeem the years
he missed while being in the service:

"The Greeks lied about Narcissus. He didn't fall in love with himself.
He'd never known what love was. So he couldn't accept it or reject it.
He could just look for it.
When he saw his own image reflected in that pool of water, he didn't fall in love with
himself, he fell in hate with himself."

Linc to Janie: "Stop looking in mirrors, Janie. There are windows all around."

Hey, it's true about Jack Lord. Can you image an episode of Hawaii Five-O where some guest star is leading some expedition through the jungle and McGarrett is bringing up the rear? No way! McG was always front and center where the action was! As for those wild wardrobe choices for McG yeah you got me! Those were some wild choices for when McG was off duty or when he was grounded as in the 3rd chapter of the Vashon trilogy. Those huge wide hats and those frilly "blouses" and those wild pink scarfs! Woof! I heard that Jack's wife Marie had a hand in his wardrobe because apparently she was a clothes designer or was into fashion or whatever. Dang! If that's her idea of great fashion then I'm gob-smacked!! But it's all good - we love you Jack and Marie

As for Don Rickles the man was a genius! His insult comedy was unrivaled. Come to think of it I don't know another insult comic. He made it his own thing. Probably the greatest comedian in my book!