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Re: The Robin Masters Estate (Pahonu)

#2686 Post by KENJI »

JosipCro wrote:Hi All!

Yesterday I saw a post with fresh pictures of Robin's Nest, I got the permission of the owners of the photos that I can post them here on the forum, so here ...


https://www.facebook.com/magnumonlocati ... 1999316637

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Hi JosipCro,

Nice find!
Many thanks for sharing these new pics with us!
It still stings a bit to see the destruction, but there is no turning back at this point.....the page has turned on Pahonu and a new chapter is well underway.
One of the pics confirms the foundation piers we saw in the pic that Robbie308 posted.
Part of the wall has come down for either bigger machinery to get in or it's the start of a possible separate driveway for one of the lots.
Thanks again JosipCro!
:)

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#2687 Post by ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) »

JosipCro wrote:Hi All!

Yesterday I saw a post with fresh pictures of Robin's Nest, I got the permission of the owners of the photos that I can post them here on the forum, so here ...


https://www.facebook.com/magnumonlocati ... 1999316637

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https://www.facebook.com/mjangelel
Great pics! But looks like the front gate has been taken down and replaced with some kind of temporary construction fence. And shame about the stone wall next to the front gate being chipped down. Wonder if they're planning to remove that entire wall eventually and replaced with a more modern one.

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Re: The Robin Masters Estate (Pahonu)

#2688 Post by Pahonu »

KENJI wrote:
JosipCro wrote:Hi All!

Yesterday I saw a post with fresh pictures of Robin's Nest, I got the permission of the owners of the photos that I can post them here on the forum, so here ...


https://www.facebook.com/magnumonlocati ... 1999316637

Owners

https://www.facebook.com/mjangelel
Hi JosipCro,

Nice find!
Many thanks for sharing these new pics with us!
It still stings a bit to see the destruction, but there is no turning back at this point.....the page has turned on Pahonu and a new chapter is well underway.
One of the pics confirms the foundation piers we saw in the pic that Robbie308 posted.
Part of the wall has come down for either bigger machinery to get in or it's the start of a possible separate driveway for one of the lots.
Thanks again JosipCro!
:)

Hey Kenji,

Those are indeed piers and you can see the horizontal beams that will support the floor joists. It looks like the floor level will be about 3 feet above grade. I’m sure that’s to put it above the flood plain. According to the plans, the sea wall will be raised on that side of the property to mitigate sea level rise. Raising the homes also improves the views as well. Also according to the plans, the entry gate will be moved to a more central location in the wall along the highway. It shows the driveway in a Y-shape splitting to a single house on the right and two houses on the left. It also shows the driveway extending slightly into the area of the gatehouse. The highest parts of the property are on each side, with a swale in the middle down to the beach. I imagine the design is allowing for that in terms of structure placement and drainage.

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Re: The Robin Masters Estate (Pahonu)

#2689 Post by JosipCro »

KENJI wrote:
JosipCro wrote:Hi All!

Yesterday I saw a post with fresh pictures of Robin's Nest, I got the permission of the owners of the photos that I can post them here on the forum, so here ...


https://www.facebook.com/magnumonlocati ... 1999316637

Owners

https://www.facebook.com/mjangelel
Hi JosipCro,

Nice find!
Many thanks for sharing these new pics with us!
It still stings a bit to see the destruction, but there is no turning back at this point.....the page has turned on Pahonu and a new chapter is well underway.
One of the pics confirms the foundation piers we saw in the pic that Robbie308 posted.
Part of the wall has come down for either bigger machinery to get in or it's the start of a possible separate driveway for one of the lots.
Thanks again JosipCro!
:)
You're welcome KENJI :wink:

I just hope it doesn’t demolish the other two houses, the house on the beach and next to the road.
Really that would be very nice

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Re: The Robin Masters Estate (Pahonu)

#2690 Post by KENJI »

Pahonu wrote:
KENJI wrote:
JosipCro wrote:Hi All!

Yesterday I saw a post with fresh pictures of Robin's Nest, I got the permission of the owners of the photos that I can post them here on the forum, so here ...


https://www.facebook.com/magnumonlocati ... 1999316637

Owners

https://www.facebook.com/mjangelel
Hi JosipCro,

Nice find!
Many thanks for sharing these new pics with us!
It still stings a bit to see the destruction, but there is no turning back at this point.....the page has turned on Pahonu and a new chapter is well underway.
One of the pics confirms the foundation piers we saw in the pic that Robbie308 posted.
Part of the wall has come down for either bigger machinery to get in or it's the start of a possible separate driveway for one of the lots.
Thanks again JosipCro!
:)

Hey Kenji,

Those are indeed piers and you can see the horizontal beams that will support the floor joists. It looks like the floor level will be about 3 feet above grade. I’m sure that’s to put it above the flood plain. According to the plans, the sea wall will be raised on that side of the property to mitigate sea level rise. Raising the homes also improves the views as well. Also according to the plans, the entry gate will be moved to a more central location in the wall along the highway. It shows the driveway in a Y-shape splitting to a single house on the right and two houses on the left. It also shows the driveway extending slightly into the area of the gatehouse. The highest parts of the property are on each side, with a swale in the middle down to the beach. I imagine the design is allowing for that in terms of structure placement and drainage.
Hi P,

Oh yeah, those are piers and beams alright! I agree with you that the reason for the floor level being approx. 3ft. above grade is to keep it above the flood plain. Also agree it will improve the views. Interesting about the new entry gate opening being more centrally located......maybe the present hole is the new location or they're punching yet another hole in it further to the right.

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Re: The Robin Masters Estate (Pahonu)

#2691 Post by KENJI »

JosipCro wrote:
KENJI wrote:
JosipCro wrote:Hi All!

Yesterday I saw a post with fresh pictures of Robin's Nest, I got the permission of the owners of the photos that I can post them here on the forum, so here ...


https://www.facebook.com/magnumonlocati ... 1999316637

Owners

https://www.facebook.com/mjangelel
Hi JosipCro,

Nice find!
Many thanks for sharing these new pics with us!
It still stings a bit to see the destruction, but there is no turning back at this point.....the page has turned on Pahonu and a new chapter is well underway.
One of the pics confirms the foundation piers we saw in the pic that Robbie308 posted.
Part of the wall has come down for either bigger machinery to get in or it's the start of a possible separate driveway for one of the lots.
Thanks again JosipCro!
:)
You're welcome KENJI :wink:

I just hope it doesn’t demolish the other two houses, the house on the beach and next to the road.
Really that would be very nice
Time will tell what happens with those original structures....thanks again for these latest pics.

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Re: The Robin Masters Estate (Pahonu)

#2692 Post by KENJI »

IvanTheTerrible wrote:
JosipCro wrote:Hi All!

Yesterday I saw a post with fresh pictures of Robin's Nest, I got the permission of the owners of the photos that I can post them here on the forum, so here ...


https://www.facebook.com/magnumonlocati ... 1999316637

Owners

https://www.facebook.com/mjangelel
Great pics! But looks like the front gate has been taken down and replaced with some kind of temporary construction fence. And shame about the stone wall next to the front gate being chipped down. Wonder if they're planning to remove that entire wall eventually and replaced with a more modern one.
I would guess they will keep the original wall as it appears to be solid, minus the hole they just punched out, but who knows with Marty & Co.. They have enough money to do whatever they want. I don't think building a new wall would add any additional value to the project, so Marty would be basically flushing money down the toilet with that expenditure (imo). Again, who knows what they will do there.

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Re: The Robin Masters Estate (Pahonu)

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KENJI wrote:
Pahonu wrote:
KENJI wrote:
JosipCro wrote:Hi All!

Yesterday I saw a post with fresh pictures of Robin's Nest, I got the permission of the owners of the photos that I can post them here on the forum, so here ...


https://www.facebook.com/magnumonlocati ... 1999316637

Owners

https://www.facebook.com/mjangelel
Hi JosipCro,

Nice find!
Many thanks for sharing these new pics with us!
It still stings a bit to see the destruction, but there is no turning back at this point.....the page has turned on Pahonu and a new chapter is well underway.
One of the pics confirms the foundation piers we saw in the pic that Robbie308 posted.
Part of the wall has come down for either bigger machinery to get in or it's the start of a possible separate driveway for one of the lots.
Thanks again JosipCro!
:)

Hey Kenji,

Those are indeed piers and you can see the horizontal beams that will support the floor joists. It looks like the floor level will be about 3 feet above grade. I’m sure that’s to put it above the flood plain. According to the plans, the sea wall will be raised on that side of the property to mitigate sea level rise. Raising the homes also improves the views as well. Also according to the plans, the entry gate will be moved to a more central location in the wall along the highway. It shows the driveway in a Y-shape splitting to a single house on the right and two houses on the left. It also shows the driveway extending slightly into the area of the gatehouse. The highest parts of the property are on each side, with a swale in the middle down to the beach. I imagine the design is allowing for that in terms of structure placement and drainage.
Hi P,

Oh yeah, those are piers and beams alright! I agree with you that the reason for the floor level being approx. 3ft. above grade is to keep it above the flood plain. Also agree it will improve the views. Interesting about the new entry gate opening being more centrally located......maybe the present hole is the new location or they're punching yet another hole in it further to the right.
You can see the plan here:

https://ibb.co/GvMjmXC

The driveway enters through the middle of the property, meaning a new hole in the wall to the right and a patch at the gatehouse.

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#2694 Post by KENJI »

Thanks for the link Pahonu!
They are really pushing the entry way over!!

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#2695 Post by Pahonu »

KENJI wrote:Thanks for the link Pahonu!
They are really pushing the entry way over!!
No worries. :magnum:

After studying the plans a bit, I think I’ve figured a few things out. I’ll use the T- nomenclature of the excavations because coincidentally they fit with most of the buildings or structures. The left side is two homes according to the written documents but they appear to be attached, at least in part at T-5. They also seem to each have a separate structure T-2 and T-3 all connected by decks. These could be separate guest suites or even owners suites possibly, as the whole design appears to be multiple buildings rather than simply three separate houses. They all have direct views as well. I believe T-1 is the pool, otherwise it would be significantly blocking the view of T-5. The pool has no deck on the ocean side so I’m guessing it has a waterfall edge. This is assuming it is also raised like the house and decks for a better view over the soon to be raised sea walls. These views are the absolute priority and the reason for the property’s real value. The two tiny structures between T-2 and T-3 are fountains, I believe, about 8x10 feet each, likely at the entry to the homes.

To the right is a single home, again according to other documents. It’s obviously much larger but has similar features to the other two. Building T-4 might be a guest suite. I don’t think it would be for the owner because it’s view is partially obstructed, plus the main building has much more space for all the typical rooms plus an owners suite. The structure near T-7 could be another fountain about 5x20 feet, again leading to the entry. I believe this house was built as close to the water as possible according to current codes and the same for the pool on the other side. It’s obviously much farther back than Pahonu was. The sizable space between the sea walls and these structures can be terraced and paved or planted, but seemingly can’t have other built structures or they would have built them there. Finally, building T-10 looks to be a sizable garage at the end of the driveway, sized perhaps for 4-5 cars.

This leads to the biggest question I have about the plans. The two houses to the left show no garages like the other house, BUT the driveway leads right to the gatehouse. In fact, it seems to be drawn partly on the gatehouse. :( My absolute speculation is that the gatehouse will be torn down and made into the garage for the two houses IF they are given a demolition permit to do so AND to rebuild there. If they are not, it might be converted to a garage though it is not ideally sized for that. I also speculate that they didn’t demolish the gatehouse because, like the boathouse, a new structure can’t be built in its location without a variance. In this case because it is so close to the highway and may violate current setback codes. If that’s true, it may be saved in some form at least, with the lower level converted into garage stalls. It wouldn’t look any different from the highway looking over the wall. There’s no reason they couldn’t restore the boathouse as is and use it for its functionality.

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Pahonu wrote:
robbie308 wrote: Image
Here’s the plans overlayed on the property to compare:
https://ibb.co/j5CP9W1

Those do look like foundation piers and they’re in the right place according to the plans.

I think the blue marks are the excavation tests they did at the beginning. the same document you have found this picture, explain that in one of this excavation human remains have been found. of course it is explained how the remains have to stay in that place.

as I wrote some months ago, I'd like to see the face of any buyers at the moment has to be informed about this tomb below their dining room..... O.M.G.!!!!!

cheers A

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#2697 Post by afortis »

Pahonu wrote:
KENJI wrote:Thanks for the link Pahonu!
They are really pushing the entry way over!!
No worries. :magnum:

After studying the plans a bit, I think I’ve figured a few things out. I’ll use the T- nomenclature of the excavations because coincidentally they fit with most of the buildings or structures. The left side is two homes according to the written documents but they appear to be attached, at least in part at T-5. They also seem to each have a separate structure T-2 and T-3 all connected by decks. These could be separate guest suites or even owners suites possibly, as the whole design appears to be multiple buildings rather than simply three separate houses. They all have direct views as well. I believe T-1 is the pool, otherwise it would be significantly blocking the view of T-5. The pool has no deck on the ocean side so I’m guessing it has a waterfall edge. This is assuming it is also raised like the house and decks for a better view over the soon to be raised sea walls. These views are the absolute priority and the reason for the property’s real value. The two tiny structures between T-2 and T-3 are fountains, I believe, about 8x10 feet each, likely at the entry to the homes.


To the right is a single home, again according to other documents. It’s obviously much larger but has similar features to the other two. Building T-4 might be a guest suite. I don’t think it would be for the owner because it’s view is partially obstructed, plus the main building has much more space for all the typical rooms plus an owners suite. The structure near T-7 could be another fountain about 5x20 feet, again leading to the entry. I believe this house was built as close to the water as possible according to current codes and the same for the pool on the other side. It’s obviously much farther back than Pahonu was. The sizable space between the sea walls and these structures can be terraced and paved or planted, but seemingly can’t have other built structures or they would have built them there. Finally, building T-10 looks to be a sizable garage at the end of the driveway, sized perhaps for 4-5 cars.

This leads to the biggest question I have about the plans. The two houses to the left show no garages like the other house, BUT the driveway leads right to the gatehouse. In fact, it seems to be drawn partly on the gatehouse. :( My absolute speculation is that the gatehouse will be torn down and made into the garage for the two houses IF they are given a demolition permit to do so AND to rebuild there. If they are not, it might be converted to a garage though it is not ideally sized for that. I also speculate that they didn’t demolish the gatehouse because, like the boathouse, a new structure can’t be built in its location without a variance. In this case because it is so close to the highway and may violate current setback codes. If that’s true, it may be saved in some form at least, with the lower level converted into garage stalls. It wouldn’t look any different from the highway looking over the wall. There’s no reason they couldn’t restore the boathouse as is and use it for its functionality.
what I know is that the guest house remains due the fact that you are no longer allowed to build so close to the shore. following your analysis, the guest house is going to be modified to allow for car parking. at the end it is a boat house, that was already ruined at the moment I have visited the place (2014).

cheers

A

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afortis wrote:
Pahonu wrote:
KENJI wrote:Thanks for the link Pahonu!
They are really pushing the entry way over!!
No worries. :magnum:

After studying the plans a bit, I think I’ve figured a few things out. I’ll use the T- nomenclature of the excavations because coincidentally they fit with most of the buildings or structures. The left side is two homes according to the written documents but they appear to be attached, at least in part at T-5. They also seem to each have a separate structure T-2 and T-3 all connected by decks. These could be separate guest suites or even owners suites possibly, as the whole design appears to be multiple buildings rather than simply three separate houses. They all have direct views as well. I believe T-1 is the pool, otherwise it would be significantly blocking the view of T-5. The pool has no deck on the ocean side so I’m guessing it has a waterfall edge. This is assuming it is also raised like the house and decks for a better view over the soon to be raised sea walls. These views are the absolute priority and the reason for the property’s real value. The two tiny structures between T-2 and T-3 are fountains, I believe, about 8x10 feet each, likely at the entry to the homes.


To the right is a single home, again according to other documents. It’s obviously much larger but has similar features to the other two. Building T-4 might be a guest suite. I don’t think it would be for the owner because it’s view is partially obstructed, plus the main building has much more space for all the typical rooms plus an owners suite. The structure near T-7 could be another fountain about 5x20 feet, again leading to the entry. I believe this house was built as close to the water as possible according to current codes and the same for the pool on the other side. It’s obviously much farther back than Pahonu was. The sizable space between the sea walls and these structures can be terraced and paved or planted, but seemingly can’t have other built structures or they would have built them there. Finally, building T-10 looks to be a sizable garage at the end of the driveway, sized perhaps for 4-5 cars.

This leads to the biggest question I have about the plans. The two houses to the left show no garages like the other house, BUT the driveway leads right to the gatehouse. In fact, it seems to be drawn partly on the gatehouse. :( My absolute speculation is that the gatehouse will be torn down and made into the garage for the two houses IF they are given a demolition permit to do so AND to rebuild there. If they are not, it might be converted to a garage though it is not ideally sized for that. I also speculate that they didn’t demolish the gatehouse because, like the boathouse, a new structure can’t be built in its location without a variance. In this case because it is so close to the highway and may violate current setback codes. If that’s true, it may be saved in some form at least, with the lower level converted into garage stalls. It wouldn’t look any different from the highway looking over the wall. There’s no reason they couldn’t restore the boathouse as is and use it for its functionality.
what I know is that the guest house remains due the fact that you are no longer allowed to build so close to the shore. following your analysis, the guest house is going to be modified to allow for car parking. at the end it is a boat house, that was already ruined at the moment I have visited the place (2014).

cheers

A
The boathouse is next to the water and you’re correct that’s why it remains. The property has no actual guest house. The gatehouse by the road was for servants and likely will become a garage. I was speculating that because it is so close to the highway, there might also be limits to building there. So they may have to remodel it into a garage because they can’t tear it down and build a new one in that spot.

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#2699 Post by Pahonu »

afortis wrote:
Pahonu wrote:
robbie308 wrote: Image
Here’s the plans overlayed on the property to compare:
https://ibb.co/j5CP9W1

Those do look like foundation piers and they’re in the right place according to the plans.

I think the blue marks are the excavation tests they did at the beginning. the same document you have found this picture, explain that in one of this excavation human remains have been found. of course it is explained how the remains have to stay in that place.

as I wrote some months ago, I'd like to see the face of any buyers at the moment has to be informed about this tomb below their dining room..... O.M.G.!!!!!

cheers A
You are correct about the blue marks.

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#2700 Post by Pahonu »

I’m posting a drawing from the environmental report for the sea wall repair at Pahonu. It’s a topological map that shows a lot.

https://ibb.co/kJSCcvs

The vertical dotted line through the middle shows the recent property division. That line is also the rough location of the drain easement from the highway to the exit by the beach gate.

The dotted line running through the tennis court across the property is the limit of construction relative to the mean high tide line. Almost the entire boathouse and part of the tennis court are not buildable according to current code. The part of the main house by the sea wall was also in that prohibited building zone.

Some other interesting details: the low point of the property, which is at approximately the bend in that vertical dotted line, is just 4 feet above the current mean high tide line. That’s the mean high tide. King tides or the like would rise higher a few times a year. Think south Florida tidal flooding. This clearly explains why the lower portions of the sea wall are being raised.

The main house was mostly at an elevation of 10 feet. The area of the driveway and garage was about 2 feet lower. That’s why there are those steps up just inside the entrance doors by the driveway to the arched portico and front courtyard.

The boathouse and tennis court are at 8 feet, and the gatehouse is also at 10 feet.

Amazingly, the lower right corner of the property shows the elevation at 22 feet right at the corner of the wall.



Edit: I just realized this is my 1000th post! :magnum:

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