Hawaii Five-O: Any Fans?

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

Uggh, T.Q. I can't even remember where I stashed the tools for building a bamboo cage. I thought all that was behind us. But looks like you're gonna make me build one with this one. I always hated this one with a passion and for the longest time it was the single worst episode of the entire series for me.

Hey Mikey likes it.

But Mr. Mikey sure hates it. He gives it a BOMB (NO STARS) rating! As do I.

[T.Q.]

Uggh, T.Q. I can't even remember where I stashed the tools for building a bamboo cage. I thought all that was behind us. But looks like you're gonna make me build one with this one. I always hated this one with a passion and for the longest time it was the single worst episode of the entire series for me.

Hey Mikey likes it.

But Mr. Mikey sure hates it. He gives it a BOMB (NO STARS) rating! As do I.

Oh well, as I told bondtoy recently, live and let live.

3 STARS out of 5

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

May I ask why you haven’t had the same unbelieving response to the missing H5-O episode all these years? That’s also not letting the audience decide for itself. It seems like CBS and H5-0’s creators are still treating us like children, as you wrote earlier, and not letting us decide for ourselves. I expect you don’t like it either but I don’t recall you making similar comments of disbelief as you did here.

Entirely different scenario. For all intents and purposes that episodes doesn't exist. It never existed for me so I'm not bothered by it. "Pig in a Blanket" has ALWAYS been included and has ALWAYS been in constant rotation. You're comparing apples and oranges here. One episode has never been shown and we know why. The other episode has always been shown except this one time. And we suspect we know why.

I'll get back to you on "Tricks Are Not Treats". No need to call any network. Things are perfectly clear for those who wish to see.

Your original complaint was about censorship and how it treats viewers like children. Later you stated how your network would show all episodes. Now you’re arguing censorship is okay if it was done in the past yet continues today? So old censorship is fine but new censorship isn’t? That’s pretty inconsistent reasoning.

You might want to read Mike’s comments above about Tricks Are Not Treats. Apparently you would have lost that bet. He provides some evidence for the omissions rather than creating something. Speculation about the reasoning is a way to arrive at an answer as others weigh in. Everyone commenting and asking questions here is doing that. However, your certainty that you “knew” the reason is not the same, and has likely been proved wrong.

Ok, so it appears that CBS is doing the censoring with some of these episodes. As I recall in the past, "Pig in a Blanket" certainly used to be part of the syndication package. After all, that's how I initially saw it, and I saw it in syndication multiple times. So it appears to be a recent thing. I don't see how it disproves my theory.

Again, "Bored She Hung Herself" is irrelevant. The episode NEVER existed as part of ANY syndication package. That's the difference. Unless you saw it back in 1970 during its first run... then you never saw it. That's why for all intents and purposes it doesn't exist. Plus we have a documented case where someone committed suicide attempting this same technique. No wonder it was pulled. What's their excuse for "Pig in a Blanket"?

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

Uggh, T.Q. I can't even remember where I stashed the tools for building a bamboo cage. I thought all that was behind us. But looks like you're gonna make me build one with this one. I always hated this one with a passion and for the longest time it was the single worst episode of the entire series for me.

Hey Mikey likes it.

But Mr. Mikey sure hates it. He gives it a BOMB (NO STARS) rating! As do I.

Oh well, as I told bondtoy recently, live and let live.

3 STARS out of 5

Ay yay yay...

0 STARS out of 5

But yes... live and let live.

[Pahonu]

May I ask why you haven’t had the same unbelieving response to the missing H5-O episode all these years? That’s also not letting the audience decide for itself. It seems like CBS and H5-0’s creators are still treating us like children, as you wrote earlier, and not letting us decide for ourselves. I expect you don’t like it either but I don’t recall you making similar comments of disbelief as you did here.

Entirely different scenario. For all intents and purposes that episodes doesn't exist. It never existed for me so I'm not bothered by it. "Pig in a Blanket" has ALWAYS been included and has ALWAYS been in constant rotation. You're comparing apples and oranges here. One episode has never been shown and we know why. The other episode has always been shown except this one time. And we suspect we know why.

I'll get back to you on "Tricks Are Not Treats". No need to call any network. Things are perfectly clear for those who wish to see.

Your original complaint was about censorship and how it treats viewers like children. Later you stated how your network would show all episodes. Now you’re arguing censorship is okay if it was done in the past yet continues today? So old censorship is fine but new censorship isn’t? That’s pretty inconsistent reasoning.

You might want to read Mike’s comments above about Tricks Are Not Treats. Apparently you would have lost that bet. He provides some evidence for the omissions rather than creating something. Speculation about the reasoning is a way to arrive at an answer as others weigh in. Everyone commenting and asking questions here is doing that. However, your certainty that you “knew” the reason is not the same, and has likely been proved wrong.

Ok, so it appears that CBS is doing the censoring with some of these episodes. As I recall in the past, "Pig in a Blanket" certainly used to be part of the syndication package. After all, that's how I initially saw it, and I saw it in syndication multiple times. So it appears to be a recent thing. I don't see how it disproves my theory.

Again, "Bored She Hung Herself" is irrelevant. The episode NEVER existed as part of ANY syndication package. That's the difference. Unless you saw it back in 1970 during its first run... then you never saw it. That's why for all intents and purposes it doesn't exist. Plus we have a documented case where someone committed suicide attempting this same technique. No wonder it was pulled. What's their excuse for "Pig in a Blanket"?

Ivan, did you even read the links Mike posted? It explains that there have been numerous digital syndication package deals created with H5-O over the decades, one mentioned going back to the 90’s. It describes how episodes that were digitally remastered were included first, but not all episodes were initially remastered. There were different packages with varying length commercial breaks as well. Two part episodes were also edited differently.

Because you saw the episode on one station doesn’t mean it will be available on another, as they may have purchased a different syndication package. It’s not because of any nefarious social censorship. I highly suspect that H&I bought the smaller package simply because it was less expensive. I mentioned earlier it was more likely about money.

My question to you has repeatedly been WHY you are so convinced it’s something suspicious. Way back in your original post you talked about race and violence and compared this older series to what’s shown today. You talked about pimps and blaxploitation films and several other things. You seemed convinced that those two episodes were removed because of changing social standards in recent years. You described it as “unbelievable”. I don’t know, but perhaps you felt it was political correctness run amok. I just wanted to know why you jumped to that with no other details.

Mike has now provided very good evidence that there are other reasons beyond social censorship as to why H&I’s syndication package doesn’t include those episodes.

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

May I ask why you haven’t had the same unbelieving response to the missing H5-O episode all these years? That’s also not letting the audience decide for itself. It seems like CBS and H5-0’s creators are still treating us like children, as you wrote earlier, and not letting us decide for ourselves. I expect you don’t like it either but I don’t recall you making similar comments of disbelief as you did here.

Entirely different scenario. For all intents and purposes that episodes doesn't exist. It never existed for me so I'm not bothered by it. "Pig in a Blanket" has ALWAYS been included and has ALWAYS been in constant rotation. You're comparing apples and oranges here. One episode has never been shown and we know why. The other episode has always been shown except this one time. And we suspect we know why.

I'll get back to you on "Tricks Are Not Treats". No need to call any network. Things are perfectly clear for those who wish to see.

Your original complaint was about censorship and how it treats viewers like children. Later you stated how your network would show all episodes. Now you’re arguing censorship is okay if it was done in the past yet continues today? So old censorship is fine but new censorship isn’t? That’s pretty inconsistent reasoning.

You might want to read Mike’s comments above about Tricks Are Not Treats. Apparently you would have lost that bet. He provides some evidence for the omissions rather than creating something. Speculation about the reasoning is a way to arrive at an answer as others weigh in. Everyone commenting and asking questions here is doing that. However, your certainty that you “knew” the reason is not the same, and has likely been proved wrong.

Ok, so it appears that CBS is doing the censoring with some of these episodes. As I recall in the past, "Pig in a Blanket" certainly used to be part of the syndication package. After all, that's how I initially saw it, and I saw it in syndication multiple times. So it appears to be a recent thing. I don't see how it disproves my theory.

Again, "Bored She Hung Herself" is irrelevant. The episode NEVER existed as part of ANY syndication package. That's the difference. Unless you saw it back in 1970 during its first run... then you never saw it. That's why for all intents and purposes it doesn't exist. Plus we have a documented case where someone committed suicide attempting this same technique. No wonder it was pulled. What's their excuse for "Pig in a Blanket"?

Ivan, did you even read the links Mike posted? It explains that there have been numerous digital syndication package deals created with H5-O over the decades, one mentioned going back to the 90’s. It describes how episodes that were digitally remastered were included first, but not all episodes were initially remastered. There were different packages with varying length commercial breaks as well. Two part episodes were also edited differently.

Because you saw the episode on one station doesn’t mean it will be available on another, as they may have purchased a different syndication package. It’s not because of any nefarious social censorship. I highly suspect that H&I bought the smaller package simply because it was less expensive. I mentioned earlier it was more likely about money.

My question to you has repeatedly been WHY you are so convinced it’s something suspicious. Way back in your original post you talked about race and violence and compared this older series to what’s shown today. You talked about pimps and blaxploitation films and several other things. You seemed convinced that those two episodes were removed because of changing social standards in recent years. You described it as “unbelievable”. I don’t know, but perhaps you felt it was political correctness run amok. I just wanted to know why you jumped to that with no other details.

Mike has now provided very good evidence that there are other reasons beyond social censorship as to why H&I’s syndication package doesn’t include those episodes.

I suppose it's possible. My bad. But I do recall "Pig in a Blanket" being shown in the early 2000s so it was part of the syndication package that I saw. My conclusion was that it was probably PC run amok as to why this one was pulled, especially since EVERY SINGLE episode from the first four seasons was shown up to this point. Something just didn't set right. But anyway, let's see if "Tricks are Not Treats" will be shown. Perhaps it will after all. But I still say you bringing up "Bored" was totally irrelevant. Apples and oranges.

[Pahonu]

Entirely different scenario. For all intents and purposes that episodes doesn't exist. It never existed for me so I'm not bothered by it. "Pig in a Blanket" has ALWAYS been included and has ALWAYS been in constant rotation. You're comparing apples and oranges here. One episode has never been shown and we know why. The other episode has always been shown except this one time. And we suspect we know why.

I'll get back to you on "Tricks Are Not Treats". No need to call any network. Things are perfectly clear for those who wish to see.

Your original complaint was about censorship and how it treats viewers like children. Later you stated how your network would show all episodes. Now you’re arguing censorship is okay if it was done in the past yet continues today? So old censorship is fine but new censorship isn’t? That’s pretty inconsistent reasoning.

You might want to read Mike’s comments above about Tricks Are Not Treats. Apparently you would have lost that bet. He provides some evidence for the omissions rather than creating something. Speculation about the reasoning is a way to arrive at an answer as others weigh in. Everyone commenting and asking questions here is doing that. However, your certainty that you “knew” the reason is not the same, and has likely been proved wrong.

Ok, so it appears that CBS is doing the censoring with some of these episodes. As I recall in the past, "Pig in a Blanket" certainly used to be part of the syndication package. After all, that's how I initially saw it, and I saw it in syndication multiple times. So it appears to be a recent thing. I don't see how it disproves my theory.

Again, "Bored She Hung Herself" is irrelevant. The episode NEVER existed as part of ANY syndication package. That's the difference. Unless you saw it back in 1970 during its first run... then you never saw it. That's why for all intents and purposes it doesn't exist. Plus we have a documented case where someone committed suicide attempting this same technique. No wonder it was pulled. What's their excuse for "Pig in a Blanket"?

Ivan, did you even read the links Mike posted? It explains that there have been numerous digital syndication package deals created with H5-O over the decades, one mentioned going back to the 90’s. It describes how episodes that were digitally remastered were included first, but not all episodes were initially remastered. There were different packages with varying length commercial breaks as well. Two part episodes were also edited differently.

Because you saw the episode on one station doesn’t mean it will be available on another, as they may have purchased a different syndication package. It’s not because of any nefarious social censorship. I highly suspect that H&I bought the smaller package simply because it was less expensive. I mentioned earlier it was more likely about money.

My question to you has repeatedly been WHY you are so convinced it’s something suspicious. Way back in your original post you talked about race and violence and compared this older series to what’s shown today. You talked about pimps and blaxploitation films and several other things. You seemed convinced that those two episodes were removed because of changing social standards in recent years. You described it as “unbelievable”. I don’t know, but perhaps you felt it was political correctness run amok. I just wanted to know why you jumped to that with no other details.

Mike has now provided very good evidence that there are other reasons beyond social censorship as to why H&I’s syndication package doesn’t include those episodes.

I suppose it's possible. My bad. But I do recall "Pig in a Blanket" being shown in the early 2000s so it was part of the syndication package that I saw. My conclusion was that it was probably PC run amok as to why this one was pulled, especially since EVERY SINGLE episode from the first four seasons was shown up to this point. Something just didn't set right. But anyway, let's see if "Tricks are Not Treats" will be shown. Perhaps it will after all. But I still say you bringing up "Bored" was totally irrelevant. Apples and oranges.

Censorship is censorship, whenever it occurs, and regardless of reason. That was my main point. Also, that money is likely the first reason for such business decisions.

Wait until the later seasons for some severe cuts. Did you happen to see the number of episodes from season 12 in the syndication package? It’s just the first two-part episode and the finale! I’m not a big fan of the final season but the Most Dangerous Game inspired episode didn’t even make it. I know there are over 250 episodes and one of the packages had just 175.

After all these years, I’m just realizing that the local station I first watched the series on in the late 80’s and early 90’s must have had one of these limited episode packages. I remember seeing many episodes numerous times, then when I streamed the series a few years ago there were so many later season episodes I had never seen. I had no idea in those pre-internet days that I wasn’t seeing the whole series!

Now that I think of it, there were also omissions for some shows being streamed. I remember people complaining here that not all seasons of MPI were available on one of the services, and the same with some other shows. I wonder if I still haven’t seen all the H5-O episodes!!!

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

Your original complaint was about censorship and how it treats viewers like children. Later you stated how your network would show all episodes. Now you’re arguing censorship is okay if it was done in the past yet continues today? So old censorship is fine but new censorship isn’t? That’s pretty inconsistent reasoning.

You might want to read Mike’s comments above about Tricks Are Not Treats. Apparently you would have lost that bet. He provides some evidence for the omissions rather than creating something. Speculation about the reasoning is a way to arrive at an answer as others weigh in. Everyone commenting and asking questions here is doing that. However, your certainty that you “knew” the reason is not the same, and has likely been proved wrong.

Ok, so it appears that CBS is doing the censoring with some of these episodes. As I recall in the past, "Pig in a Blanket" certainly used to be part of the syndication package. After all, that's how I initially saw it, and I saw it in syndication multiple times. So it appears to be a recent thing. I don't see how it disproves my theory.

Again, "Bored She Hung Herself" is irrelevant. The episode NEVER existed as part of ANY syndication package. That's the difference. Unless you saw it back in 1970 during its first run... then you never saw it. That's why for all intents and purposes it doesn't exist. Plus we have a documented case where someone committed suicide attempting this same technique. No wonder it was pulled. What's their excuse for "Pig in a Blanket"?

Ivan, did you even read the links Mike posted? It explains that there have been numerous digital syndication package deals created with H5-O over the decades, one mentioned going back to the 90’s. It describes how episodes that were digitally remastered were included first, but not all episodes were initially remastered. There were different packages with varying length commercial breaks as well. Two part episodes were also edited differently.

Because you saw the episode on one station doesn’t mean it will be available on another, as they may have purchased a different syndication package. It’s not because of any nefarious social censorship. I highly suspect that H&I bought the smaller package simply because it was less expensive. I mentioned earlier it was more likely about money.

My question to you has repeatedly been WHY you are so convinced it’s something suspicious. Way back in your original post you talked about race and violence and compared this older series to what’s shown today. You talked about pimps and blaxploitation films and several other things. You seemed convinced that those two episodes were removed because of changing social standards in recent years. You described it as “unbelievable”. I don’t know, but perhaps you felt it was political correctness run amok. I just wanted to know why you jumped to that with no other details.

Mike has now provided very good evidence that there are other reasons beyond social censorship as to why H&I’s syndication package doesn’t include those episodes.

I suppose it's possible. My bad. But I do recall "Pig in a Blanket" being shown in the early 2000s so it was part of the syndication package that I saw. My conclusion was that it was probably PC run amok as to why this one was pulled, especially since EVERY SINGLE episode from the first four seasons was shown up to this point. Something just didn't set right. But anyway, let's see if "Tricks are Not Treats" will be shown. Perhaps it will after all. But I still say you bringing up "Bored" was totally irrelevant. Apples and oranges.

Censorship is censorship, whenever it occurs, and regardless of reason. That was my main point. Also, that money is likely the first reason for such business decisions.

Wait until the later seasons for some severe cuts. Did you happen to see the number of episodes from season 12 in the syndication package? It’s just the first two-part episode and the finale! I’m not a big fan of the final season but the Most Dangerous Game inspired episode didn’t even make it. I know there are over 250 episodes and one of the packages had just 175.

After all these years, I’m just realizing that the local station I first watched the series on in the late 80’s and early 90’s must have had one of these limited episode packages. I remember seeing many episodes numerous times, then when I streamed the series a few years ago there were so many later season episodes I had never seen. I had no idea in those pre-internet days that I wasn’t seeing the whole series!

Now that I think of it, there were also omissions for some shows being streamed. I remember people complaining here that not all seasons of MPI were available on one of the services, and the same with some other shows. I wonder if I still haven’t seen all the H5-O episodes!!!

I do recall that certain episodes in some of those syndication packages that I saw in the past were skipped. Sometimes even as much as half a season's worth of episodes. But then I also recall ALL episodes being shown so that must have been a different syndication package. But it was still on the same network and same time slot. Maybe they switched packages. Though I never remember them just showing "A Lion in the Streets" and "Woe to Wo Fat" and that's it from the 12th season. I always recall a handful of season 12 episodes, much to my chagrin because I had no interest in seeing them.

I recall them showing every episode from the mid to late 90s. Then they started dropping a significant number of episodes. Then I recall they started showing all the episodes again sometime in the early 2000s. I didn't really understand any of these syndication packages so I had no idea why episodes were excluded but then they would start showing them again. I thought when they started showing Five-O on Me-TV a few years back they showed all the episodes but I could be wrong.

[T.Q.]

Labyrinth

Risking the ire of Z(Ivan) here. Again.

Taking a big risk...

I liked it.

Kept me engaged and I liked the twists and turns.

There's a complaint that it was "overly complicated" on IMDb which it was a bit until it was all explained. Isn't that good?

Was cool the plastic surgeon scam gone wrong.

MPI: Bob Silva, Don Lamond

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

Labyrinth

Risking the ire of Z(Ivan) here. Again.

Taking a big risk...

I liked it.

Kept me engaged and I liked the twists and turns.

There's a complaint that it was "overly complicated" on IMDb which it was a bit until it was all explained. Isn't that good?

Was cool the plastic surgeon scam gone wrong.

MPI: Bob Silva, Don Lamond

I like it too. No ire raised LOL. I mean it's not a strong like by any stretch. But rather a season 12 type of like. On a good day I think this one is fine enough to finish in my top 5 for the season. It's another kidnap story but as you mentioned there are enough twists and turns there (including Tricia O'Neill playing dual roles) to make it a solid S12 entry. Also the reveal at the very end (in the shack, with the nail polish) was very well handled and worked for me! I didn't think it was too complicated to follow. James Olson makes his 5th and final appearance on the show. His best will always be the neo-Nazi "commander" in the S11 episode. I don't know why but I always thought that Tricia O'Neill was on MPI. Maybe I'm confusing her with someone else?

[T.Q.]

School for Assassins

Was an okay episode.

Kept me semi interested.

Liked the opening scene where the recruit penetrates the estate.

I thought Pamela Shoop would end up being the bad 'guy'. At the risk of sounding sexist (again) Hubba Hubba in the bikini.



Poor Truck got shot again.

6/10 seems right.

MPI: Pamela Shoop, Mark Pinkosh

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

School for Assassins

Was an okay episode.

Kept me semi interested.

Liked the opening scene where the recruit penetrates the estate.

I thought Pamela Shoop would end up being the bad 'guy'. At the risk of sounding sexist (again) Hubba Hubba in the bikini.



Poor Truck got shot again.

6/10 seems right.

MPI: Pamela Shoop, Mark Pinkosh

I like it less than I once did. I think it used to be a top 5 for the season. Always liked assassin stories. But the whole thing just seemed so preposterous on my last watch! Not only the idea of an assassins training camp (complete with obstacle courses and weapons and whatnot) in the middle of a quiet suburban neighborhood, but the ending with secret trap doors and underground tunnels that lead to the actual house where they are supposed to strike. I don't even remember the details now but I just remember thinking do they have like underground mazes of tunnels all around the neighborhood that lead to any house that they may choose to infiltrate? This just didn't make any sense. James Bond comic book territory.

Agreed on Pam Shoop! Wow!

[T.Q.]

For Old Times Sake

Not very good.

That's it. That's the review.

MPI: Bob Hoy, Ric Marlow, Yankee Chang, Bill Bigelow

[Pahonu]

For Old Times Sake

Not very good.

That's it. That's the review.

MPI: Bob Hoy, Ric Marlow, Yankee Chang, Bill Bigelow

LOL!

[T.Q.]

For Old Times Sake

Not very good.

That's it. That's the review.

MPI: Bob Hoy, Ric Marlow, Yankee Chang, Bill Bigelow

LOL!

To be honest, and please don't tell Z-Ivan, I'm officially burned out after 12,645 minutes of Hawaii Five-0.

Finally hit a brick wall.