Pahonu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:15 am
IvanTheTerrible wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:35 pm
T.Q. you're Polish/Ukrainian?????????? Welcome to the club!! No wonder we get along so well.
I'm 100% Ukrainian!!!

Born over there, immigrated here in 1991. Still speak and write in Ukrainian. And will teach my son the same!!
I know there's a huge Ukrainian population in Canada. I must have you over for some borscht!!

Maybe Pahonu can join us too. He can regale us with architectural talk.

No politics.
Hey Ivan,
I can tell you all I know about architecture

, but I’m very interested to hear your thoughts about the current circumstances in Ukraine. I know that is political perhaps, but I’m interested in your take on it, particularly the seeming rise of Ukrainian nationalism in the years since the collapse of the Soviet Union. That was the time of your immigration it seems. I understand if you don’t want to get into it, but I very much enjoy hearing other’s perspectives. We don’t all have to agree about everything.
Ukraine has always been very nationalistic, especially in the western part where I am from. I was born in Lviv, which is pretty much the heart of the Ukrainian language and culture. Kiev is kind of a melting pot. You'll hear the Russian language there a lot, even though the residents there are overwhelmingly pro-Ukraine and anti-Russian. But Lviv is "home" for me where pretty much everyone speaks the Ukrainian language. We call it the REAL Ukraine.

But the nationalistic spirit of many Ukrainians stems from the centuries of oppression under other nations and groups who tried (and in the case of Russia, still trying) to steal our valuable land and resources as well as erase our culture and identity. The Russification of our land during the last century under Soviet rule is a clear example. Just look at the eastern part of Ukraine. Or even the Russian language in the capital itself. Let's not forget the massive starvation ("Holodomor" holocaust) that Stalin orchestrated against Ukraine in the 1930s. Up to 10 million dead. Dead bodies littering the streets. And thanks to Stalin stooges like Walter Duranty of the New York Times (Stalin's #1 propagandist in the West) all this was glossed over and unreported, citing a bad crop year and that everyone was okay. There must be a special place in hell reserved for the likes of him. In any case, the Soviet years definitely left their mark. And before that it was pre-Soviet Russia, the Poles, the Turks and Tatars, Lithuania, and others who occupied our land. So yes the nationalistic spirit is something ingrained and passed down from generation to generation, lest we forget about ourselves as the Ukrainian people and our rich heritage.
As for what's going to happen now, who knows? No one can get inside Putin's head to figure out what that nut-job is up to. Just need to pray and see. The weakness of the current administration (especially after the debacle of the Afghan withdrawal) has given Putin more confidence. I think if he feels he needs to act, then now is the time. Because he knows Biden isn't sending any troops over. And he could care less about the sanctions. I think he's gotten used to them now.