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The telephones on this show

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I've been thinking something was "off" about the phones on this show, and I just realized why. They were mostly Automatic Electrics, rather than Western Electrics.

Western Electric phones, like the 500, 554, 2500, 2554, Trimline, etc., are what most of us who grew up in the '80s or earlier are familiar with, because Western Electric was the Bell System's (AKA: the original AT&T, AKA: Ma Bell) manufacturing arm, and since most people had phone service through the Bell System, and the Bell System didn't allow third-party equipment to be hooked up to their lines, they had to lease their phones from the Bell System, and those were all Western Electric phones.

Back in those days (prior to the court-ordered breakup of the Bell System in 1984), you generally couldn't/didn't just go to the store and buy a phone; you leased your phone through your phone company, which for the vast majority of Americans was the Bell System. However, for people who got phone service through one of the various small independent phone companies at the time, they didn't get Western Electric phones. They got licenced clones of Western Electric phones from companies like ITT or Stromberg-Carlson, or original designs from e.g. Automatic Electric.

So back then there was no legal path to ownership of a genuine Western Electric phone (they were all marked "Bell System Property, not for sale"; this changed in 1984), so it would make sense for prop companies to buy phones from other manufacturers rather than deal with Bell System-owned Western Electric phones. Also, Hawaii was in GTE territory, rather than Ma Bell's, and they used Automatic Electric phones (as well as owning Automatic Electric itself).

One of the ways to identify an Automatic Electric phone with regard to a traditional rotary desk phone (in the style of a Western Electric 500) is to look for a ridge along the back of the handset:

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If you can get a close look at the base you can notice other differences, like the shape is more rounded, the two forward posts of the handset cradle are truncated, along with various other shape differences, and there are triangles under the holes in the finger wheel rather than dots. This is like the black phone on Higgins' desk (AE-80 or AE-80e; can't see the front of it in that shot), and the red Robin Masters phone is an AE-980/AE-981 Styleline, which was Automatic Electric's answer to the Western Electric Trimline:

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There were also some weird Automatic Electric phones on the show that looked like a cross between a Western Electric 500 and a Western Electric 2500 (i.e., like a 2500 with a rotary dial), like this one (AE-80e):

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There were plenty of 2500-style phones too, which was a Western Electric design that was (and still is) cloned by many manufacturers. GTE / Automatic Electric's version was what was used on MPI, and was also an AE-80e (Automatic Electric's model numbers were the same for a given style of phone regardless of whether it was rotary dial or touch-tone). Magnum's desk phone in the guest house ...

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... was an AE-80e:

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Note the truncated front posts of the handset cradle; this readily distinguishes it from a Western Electric 2500.

Magnum's kitchen phone in the guest house ...

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... was an AE-192:

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The wall phone that was used to talk to people at the gate and let them in ...

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... was a Radio Shack Duofone 16:

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The two lights above the keypad may have been added by the prop department, though I suppose it is possible for the phone to have come from the factory that way, or have been modified by a telco (they are merely visual indicators of the phone ringing; two of them suggests a 2-line phone).
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The one that caught my eye was from an early episode, "Thank Heaven for Little Girls . . ." maybe? That was a pedestal type phone with the dial underneath in the base.

Kinda like this:

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ConchRepublican wrote:The one that caught my eye was from an early episode, "Thank Heaven for Little Girls . . ." maybe? That was a pedestal type phone with the dial underneath in the base.
That's an Ericofon, (L. M. Ericsson Company, Sweden), or a knockoff thereof - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ericofon.
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Struck me as an oddity for Robin Masters . . . then again he does write cheap tawdy pulp novels. :-)
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From "Never Again ... Never Again"...

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GTE single-slot payphone:

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This particular payphone prop shows up in lots of episodes; every time a payphone is seen on this show, it is this one as far as I can tell. It is distinctive in that it is all chrome, which is unusual for any payphone. Most payphones have a black powder coated housing with a chrome faceplate, vault door, coin release lever, and coin return slot. Also note that it is missing its side lock. This was probably removed so they didn't have to keep track of its key. In order to mount the payphone, the upper housing in front needs to be removed to access the mounting holes in the back of the lower housing. Since this payphone got moved around a lot, keeping track of its key would have been a hassle. With the lock removed, the upper housing can be removed with just a generic one-size-fits-all payphone "T-key".

This basic style of single-slot payphone was invented by Western Electric, and the Western Electric version (known as the "Fortress") is the most commonly encountered payphone in the US (though payphones of any type tend to be rare these days). The Western Electric version has its coin slot and coin return slot on the left-hand side, and the handset cord enters the phone through the faceplate in front. The knockoffs (such as the GTE) have their coin slot and coin return slot on the right-hand side, and the handset cord enters the phone through the side. This was done to avoid violating Western Electric's patents.

I've always loved payphones, ever since I was a kid. I now have a Western Electric "Fortress" mounted on the wall in my living room, fully functional, including the requirement to insert coins to make a call. It was formerly the propery of Southern Bell, on location in Georgia. When I got it, it was rough cosmetically. The chrome parts were pitted and the handset looked like it had been chewed on by a dog. But all the chrome parts and the handset can be replaced with brand new ones for not much money, which is what I did, and now the phone looks much better:

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#7 Post by steveadl »

The black phone on Higgins' desk in the first photo isn't plugged in.

Sorry that's about all I can contribute to this conversation :D

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#8 Post by J.J. Walters »

Wow, you really know your phones MR!

This one really cracks me up... When mobile phones were the size of bricks!

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J.J. Walters wrote:Wow, you really know your phones MR!

This one really cracks me up... When mobile phones were the size of bricks!
Yeah, that's even what they are colloquially known as, i.e., the original Motorola "brick phones". "DynaTAC" was the actual name of that series of cell phones; they were the first commercially available cell phones, starting in 1983.

I get a bigger kick out of this "cordless" phone from episode 2.22:

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It has no antenna (all cordless phones of that time had/needed a large external antenna due to the frequency they used). You can also see the hole for the cord to enter (this picture shows the hole better). It is simply a handset from an ordinary corded phone. In a later episode they did show Higgins bringing a real cordless phone to Magnum on Robin's Nest's beach, but I don't remember which episode.

In an episode I watched last night (5.22), they used that same all-chrome GTE payphone prop that I mentioned in a previous post, but when they showed a closeup of it being "dialed", it magically transformed into a Western Electric Fortress like mine:

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You can see in the top picture that it is missing its side lock, as usual. Then in the closeup scene, you can see it has a side lock. But that isn't the only thing that has changed, given that it is clearly a Western Electric rather than a GTE. For starters you can see the little Bell System logo in the lower right-hand corner of the faceplate. You can also see the Western Electric handset cradle, which has longer, more curved arms than GTE and other knockoffs. Plus the buttons are square, with the numbers engraved directly onto them, while the GTE phones had small blank rectangular buttons with the numbers printed on the faceplace, which can be seen in the "Mac" picture I posted in a previous post.

I think it is interesting that they tried to maintain continuity by painting the housing of that Western Electric payphone silver to try to match the look of the GTE's chrome housing. You can tell it is paint because it still has the texture of its black or green powder-coated finish that they simply painted over.

This makes me wonder about the circumstances (i.e., why couldn't they just shoot the closeup insert scene using their beloved all-chrome GTE prop?), and also, where they even got a Western Electric Fortress prop in the first place. Hawaii was GTE territory.

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#10 Post by steveadl »

Those original brick mobile phones are worth quite a bit of money as collectors items these days, especially of they're in mint condition.

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