Echoes of the Mind (1) (5.1)

Rate, review & discuss the episodes from the fifth season

Moderator: Styles Bitchley

How Would You Rate This Episode?

10 (Perfect!)
10
9%
9.5 (One of the Best)
32
29%
9.0 (Excellent)
22
20%
8.5 (Very Good)
27
25%
8.0 (Pretty Good)
10
9%
7.5 (Decent)
2
2%
7.0 (Average at Best)
1
1%
6.5 (Not So Good)
2
2%
6.0 (Pretty Bad)
2
2%
5.0 (Just Awful)
2
2%
 
Total votes: 110

Message
Author
User avatar
Higgy_baby
Rear Admiral
Posts: 87
Joined: Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:38 pm
Location: Canada

#46 Post by Higgy_baby »

I not a big fan of this two parter and here's why:

1. I don't think Sharon Stone is all that hot. Check her out with no makeup in the passenger seat of the Porsche. A lot sexier women have graced the show IMHO. Stone can act though. (this is likely just me, because I also fail to see why guys fawn over Angelina Jolie)

2. Magnum at long last meets the love of his life and she's a tormented mental case.

3. Magnum just doesn't feel like Magnum.

4. Lady Ashley's interaction with her Eunic soliciter is the horrible old Hollywood Brit stereotype stuff way overdone.

5. The pic of young Higgie that Agatha keeps looks like another Art School prop boy mishap. No blousing of BD pants over left puttee is visible, don't even get me started on the Beret....

OK on the positive, I liked the way the show went out with a bang, a presumed bang to the girl's head in fact. Although I'm not a fan of the over serious Magnum PI episosdes, if you are going to do it, this is the way. Hawaii Five-O always ended like this. Something bad happens and BAM, right to credits. It hits like a punch to the gut. No cutsie denouement at the end to make us all feel good.

This opener is a sign that the show is changing, and why I think some folks have categorized Seasons 1-4 as having a different feel and in some cases their favourite Magnum era.
Of course this changes nothing between us. I still expect you to respect the rules and regulations pertaining to your stay on the estate. There will be no wild parties, no outragous liberties, no unauthorized overnight guests...

User avatar
J.J. Walters
Founding Father
Posts: 4196
Joined: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:54 pm
Location: Suburbia, USA
Contact:

#47 Post by J.J. Walters »

Never noticed this before, but the crew member that darts across the road in the opening shot, it happens just as the episode title appears!

Image

LOVE this opening scene! One of the best in the series IMHO.
Higgins: It's not a scratch! It's a bloody gouge!

MACattack
Fleet Admiral
Posts: 553
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:52 pm
Location: Santa Barbara, CA

#48 Post by MACattack »

Sharon Stone was smokin HOT in this episode. It's too bad her character was a totall schizo!
I just don't give a damn!

User avatar
Danno
Fleet Admiral
Posts: 507
Joined: Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:03 pm
Location: Edge Of The Pacific, Sydney, Australia

#49 Post by Danno »

I love this episode for it's ridiculous 80s style.

It is OTT. Sharon Stone is perfectly cast. Her bad acting is perfect as a mad, hot bombshell driving a Porsche through the night while wearing Porsche aviators and the Blade Runner music pumping.

Magnum's mysterious connection to her is cheesy/camp absurdity.

'I'm not in love with her! ... But I'm afraid I could be.'
I mean, c'mon...! What is this?! The ridiculous script makes me take this episode lightly. Almost as if the show is making a parody of itself.

Hawaii looks hypercoloured. Higgin's Britishness seems turned up.
Everything about this episode is crazy.
Help protect Hawaiʻi's Green Sea Turtles http://malamanahonu.org

User avatar
Jelly Doughnuts
Lieutenant Commander
Posts: 29
Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:48 pm

#50 Post by Jelly Doughnuts »

The one thing that really ticked me off about this ep is that I just felt really bad for Agatha, and I don't get why her and Higgy couldn't just hook up :(

I loved seeing Sharon Stone in this, and can clearly see why she went as far as she has in acting.
"When I write my book on being a first class private investigator, Rule Number 168 is going to be: If you're getting chased, you should be in a fast car....
Postscript to Rule 168: No matter how fast your car is, there can always be one that's faster!"

User avatar
Agatha
Baroness of Oahu
Posts: 535
Joined: Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:03 pm
Location: The Upper Left Hand Corner

#51 Post by Agatha »

I spent some time feeling badly that Higgins and Agatha didn't/couldn't hook up, too, Jelly Doughnuts, but in the end decided that she was really better off without him...as a husband, I mean. He got what he needed...some attention. And she got what she needed...someone to "mother." It would NOT have been good for them to be in the type of relationship where she would get the idea that she could actually depend on him for anything! And this episode is a perfect example of that.

This is one of my least favorite episodes because of the Sharon Stone story line and how frustrating it is for me that Thomas never finds someone to love. But then I realized that I was missing out on this really sweet Agatha/Higgins story line so have been watching it more lately. I LOVE Agatha's house and this is the only episode that we really see it...and get to go inside.

:)
Isn't the ocean beautiful at sunset? So soft....so peaceful...so romantic!

User avatar
Jelly Doughnuts
Lieutenant Commander
Posts: 29
Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:48 pm

#52 Post by Jelly Doughnuts »

Agatha wrote:I spent some time feeling badly that Higgins and Agatha didn't/couldn't hook up, too, Jelly Doughnuts, but in the end decided that she was really better off without him...as a husband, I mean. He got what he needed...some attention. And she got what she needed...someone to "mother." It would NOT have been good for them to be in the type of relationship where she would get the idea that she could actually depend on him for anything! And this episode is a perfect example of that.

This is one of my least favorite episodes because of the Sharon Stone story line and how frustrating it is for me that Thomas never finds someone to love. But then I realized that I was missing out on this really sweet Agatha/Higgins story line so have been watching it more lately. I LOVE Agatha's house and this is the only episode that we really see it...and get to go inside.

:)
I guess you're right there re Higgy & Agatha. Poor Agatha though I felt so embarrassed for her, though it was a hell of an assumption to make!

And yes, I too found it really sad and frustrating that Thomas was left alone, again.
"When I write my book on being a first class private investigator, Rule Number 168 is going to be: If you're getting chased, you should be in a fast car....
Postscript to Rule 168: No matter how fast your car is, there can always be one that's faster!"

User avatar
zebra3
Fleet Admiral
Posts: 224
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:01 am
Location: United States

#53 Post by zebra3 »

J.J. Walters wrote:Excellent observations IslandHopper!

And I agree, this episode is a little overrated. The diary, the guy in the closet, Magnum's premonition - all glaring plot holes.
.
Well technically he couldn't read the diary the first night as he would have, because he had to stay with her. And the body/person in the closet got creepier after you knew Diane had a split personality. I feel like a lot of this episode makes more sense and has more emotional heft after the ending. The man in the closet, the diary, the fact that magnum slept with a twin...the meaning of all of it changes once the episode ends and you have to go over it in your mind.
"Burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me."

User avatar
J.J. Walters
Founding Father
Posts: 4196
Joined: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:54 pm
Location: Suburbia, USA
Contact:

#54 Post by J.J. Walters »

Ah... Did I say that? *ahem* Can I take it back? That was quite a while ago. This has become one of my favorite episodes!
Higgins: It's not a scratch! It's a bloody gouge!

User avatar
zebra3
Fleet Admiral
Posts: 224
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:01 am
Location: United States

#55 Post by zebra3 »

Haha understandable, but admit it, you were a little creeped out when you realized at the end of part one that there was a person in the closet (the man who she shot at, presumably). Then when you thought it might be her twin, you were a little more creeped out. Then when you finally realize that the corpse of a man (Was it her father?) was in there, it's ten times more creepy.

And yeah, can someone answer the question above?
"Burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me."

User avatar
Agatha
Baroness of Oahu
Posts: 535
Joined: Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:03 pm
Location: The Upper Left Hand Corner

#56 Post by Agatha »

Do you mean the question about the man in the closet? I've always assumed that it was...hmm...Ted? Was that his name? The shrink that tried to help the Sharon Stone character get rid of her imaginary twin.

Just a guess, I guess!!

:)
Isn't the ocean beautiful at sunset? So soft....so peaceful...so romantic!

User avatar
zebra3
Fleet Admiral
Posts: 224
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:01 am
Location: United States

#57 Post by zebra3 »

Wow I kind of thought it might be her father even. We need absolute proof of this.
"Burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me."

User avatar
Carol the Dabbler
Fleet Admiral
Posts: 293
Joined: Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:09 pm
Location: Indiana, USA

Re: Echoes of the Mind (1) (5.1)

#58 Post by Carol the Dabbler »

J.J. Walters (Episode Guide, Quote #2) wrote:Doc Ibold: This is nothing. I was hunting up in Utah, must of been '68 or '69....
I'm not sure whether this is a correction or not. Most people probably do think it's "must of," so this could very well have been in the script, and/or Doc could very well have said it this way. But if the script writer and/or Doc had been paying attention in English class, it would have been "must have" or "must've" (which is what fools people, since it sounds so much like "must of").

J.J. Walters (Episode Guide, Quote #5) wrote:Magnum: What happened to Lord Ashley?
Higgins: A bit of underdone potato. He choked to death.
Higgins may be half-quoting Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol, where Scrooge attempts to dismiss Marley's ghost as merely an hallucination caused by "a fragment of an underdone potato."

AJL wrote:@James, ... is there any reason why the 2 part episodes have two different threads? I just think it would be much more convenient with just one, ...
I agree, AJL -- though I suppose it might be difficult to combine the two existing threads now in any meaningful way.

James, could you just hop in your time machine and do them as single threads from the beginning?
Carol

User avatar
J.J. Walters
Founding Father
Posts: 4196
Joined: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:54 pm
Location: Suburbia, USA
Contact:

#59 Post by J.J. Walters »

"Must of"! LMAO!

You got me again Carol! Sloppy, sloppy work on my part! I need to re-watch some School House Rock episodes and get my head back in the game! :)

And yeah, it was a mistake on my part to separate out the two-parter episodes in the forum. In the episode guide, yes; forum, no. I'll see if I can merge them together in the forum. Thanks.
Higgins: It's not a scratch! It's a bloody gouge!

User avatar
Carol the Dabbler
Fleet Admiral
Posts: 293
Joined: Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:09 pm
Location: Indiana, USA

#60 Post by Carol the Dabbler »

J.J. Walters wrote:... yeah, it was a mistake ... to separate out the two-parter episodes in the forum. .... I'll see if I can merge them together....
All I can say is, good luck! :shock:
Carol

Post Reply