Jay Hernandez and Twitter

[MagnumsLeftShoulder]

I don't like anyone throwing around "Nazi", IMO the comparisons minimize the awful truth of what they did.

I completely agree. The flippant way people toss around the "Nazi" accusations proves there is a severe lack of knowledge of history. I voted "doesn't matter" in the poll last week because I thought he was a nobody and he didn't seem that extreme, but the new tweets put me firmly in the "yes" camp.

[NotthatRick]

I don't like anyone throwing around "Nazi", IMO the comparisons minimize the awful truth of what they did.

I completely agree. The flippant way people toss around the "Nazi" accusations proves there is a severe lack of knowledge of history. I voted "doesn't matter" in the poll last week because I thought he was a nobody and he didn't seem that extreme, but the new tweets put me firmly in the "yes" camp.

I have also changed my mind on this. Last week I did not think it mattered but after reading all of the previous posts, I am going to vote yes.

[sandbiscuits]

I was shocked too, which is why I responded to him about it on Twitter. I don't like anyone throwing around "Nazi", IMO the comparisons minimize the awful truth of what they did.

But this has always been a friendly place where all Magnum fans feel welcome. Being upset about something related to the show and showing displeasure is fine, it's how it's relayed that is important.

I loosened a bit of the strings regarding conversation here because most of us are long timers who respect and understand each other. I don't want us to get too comfortable where we loose that.

It's a delicate balance and an important one to make sure one is heard.

Agreed completely with you, Conch! MiniMag is a doofus and anyone else for that matter who compares Trump to Hitler or Trump supporters to Nazis. Clearly these people are ignorant and need to hit the textbooks. Hitler KILLED people. Stalin KILLED people. How many of his opponents has Trump executed so far?? Someone needs to send Hernandez a note (I'm not on Twitter so I can't) that if Trump was Hitler then he (Hernandez) would no longer be among the living. All these Trump opponents are spewing vile hatred against him day after day and yet they're all still alive. How is this possible, if Trump is Hitler/Nazi?????? I don't get it.

Hernandez's tweet was ham handed and invited the interpretation you're making because symbols are, by nature, prone to multiple interpretations. If I recall correctly, the images were a MAGA hat and a Nazi logo. He didn't say "Trump = Hitler" or "Trump supporters = Nazis." Of course MAGA supporters are not White Nationalists, but perhaps it is worth pointing out that those who do identify that way lean toward Trump. Regardless, Trump cannot be Hitler because the political, historical, and social contexts are not the same as in the 1920s and 1930s. But from a broader perspective, there can be trends that bear similarity, such as the advocacy of nationalism (buttressed by appeals to racial or ethnic difference), the ability to seemingly lie without consequence and to declare the media the enemy of the people (the sheer number of lies put out by the current administration is well documented), and the pursuit of dictatorial power. The recent news that the an Executive Order may be issued to challenge the U.S. citizenship of all people born in the country (enshrined in the 14th amendment) should be troubling for anyone who doesn't want a person in power to be able to unilaterally rewrite the Constitution.

[T.Q.]

I was shocked too, which is why I responded to him about it on Twitter. I don't like anyone throwing around "Nazi", IMO the comparisons minimize the awful truth of what they did.

But this has always been a friendly place where all Magnum fans feel welcome. Being upset about something related to the show and showing displeasure is fine, it's how it's relayed that is important.

I loosened a bit of the strings regarding conversation here because most of us are long timers who respect and understand each other. I don't want us to get too comfortable where we loose that.

It's a delicate balance and an important one to make sure one is heard.

Agreed completely with you, Conch! MiniMag is a doofus and anyone else for that matter who compares Trump to Hitler or Trump supporters to Nazis. Clearly these people are ignorant and need to hit the textbooks. Hitler KILLED people. Stalin KILLED people. How many of his opponents has Trump executed so far?? Someone needs to send Hernandez a note (I'm not on Twitter so I can't) that if Trump was Hitler then he (Hernandez) would no longer be among the living. All these Trump opponents are spewing vile hatred against him day after day and yet they're all still alive. How is this possible, if Trump is Hitler/Nazi?????? I don't get it.

Hernandez's tweet was ham handed and invited the interpretation you're making because symbols are, by nature, prone to multiple interpretations. If I recall correctly, the images were a MAGA hat and a Nazi logo. He didn't say "Trump = Hitler" or "Trump supporters = Nazis." Of course MAGA supporters are not White Nationalists, but perhaps it is worth pointing out that those who do identify that way lean toward Trump. Regardless, Trump cannot be Hitler because the political, historical, and social contexts are not the same as in the 1920s and 1930s. But from a broader perspective, there can be trends that bear similarity, such as the advocacy of nationalism (buttressed by appeals to racial or ethnic difference), the ability to seemingly lie without consequence and to declare the media the enemy of the people (the sheer number of lies put out by the current administration is well documented), and the pursuit of dictatorial power. The recent news that the an Executive Order may be issued to challenge the U.S. citizenship of all people born in the country (enshrined in the 14th amendment) should be troubling for anyone who doesn't want a person in power to be able to unilaterally rewrite the Constitution.

Trump was wrong about US being only country to give automatic citizenship to babies.

Canada does it. Australia recently stopped the practice.

Canada is also talking about stopping ‘birth tourism’ because it’s becoming a problem.

The idea is if one parent isn’t a Citizen or Permanent Resident then ‘No Soup for You!’.

I agree that a pregnant woman sneaking into the country shouldn’t be rewarded with Citizenship for the baby.

Nothing to do with racism. We accept over 300,000 immigrants (population 37M) a year from around the world and are very open.

[Amian]

Hernandez's tweet was ham handed and invited the interpretation you're making because symbols are, by nature, prone to multiple interpretations. If I recall correctly, the images were a MAGA hat and a Nazi logo. He didn't say "Trump = Hitler" or "Trump supporters = Nazis." Of course MAGA supporters are not White Nationalists, but perhaps it is worth pointing out that those who do identify that way lean toward Trump. Regardless, Trump cannot be Hitler because the political, historical, and social contexts are not the same as in the 1920s and 1930s. But from a broader perspective, there can be trends that bear similarity, such as the advocacy of nationalism (buttressed by appeals to racial or ethnic difference), the ability to seemingly lie without consequence and to declare the media the enemy of the people (the sheer number of lies put out by the current administration is well documented), and the pursuit of dictatorial power. The recent news that the an Executive Order may be issued to challenge the U.S. citizenship of all people born in the country (enshrined in the 14th amendment) should be troubling for anyone who doesn't want a person in power to be able to unilaterally rewrite the Constitution.

Trump was wrong about US being only country to give automatic citizenship to babies.

Canada does it. Australia recently stopped the practice.

Canada is also talking about stopping ‘birth tourism’ because it’s becoming a problem.

The idea is if one parent isn’t a Citizen or Permanent Resident then ‘No Soup for You!’.

I agree that a pregnant woman sneaking into the country shouldn’t be rewarded with Citizenship for the baby.

Nothing to do with racism. We accept over 300,000 immigrants (population 37M) a year from around the world and are very open.

Great, let's keep it open. This is almost entirely a country of immigrants, after all.

As to having nothing to do with racism, well, racism is at the very core of all this. The Dred Scott decision in 1857 said that those of African ancestry could not be citizens. This upheld the Naturalization Act of 1790, which stated that only free white persons could be naturalized. After the Civil War, there were three Reconstruction amendments passed (#13-15). These had to with voting rights and the prohibition of slavery. The 14th amendment is the one that guarantees citizenship for all persons born in the U.S. For the meaning and context of this amendment, here are two articles from the last few days, one by a professor of constitutional law in The Atlantic and one by the deputy managing editor of National Review. They take strikingly different tones, but they are in agreement on the history.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... wNsm_JiiW8

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/ ... quirement/

Also, if anyone wants access to the text of the debates surrounding the 14th amendment, here is a link:
https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/lwcglink.html

Lastly, "a woman sneaking into the country" is a snide way to describe the wide array of women who come to the U.S. and have children.

[T.Q.]

“Lastly, "a woman sneaking into the country" is a snide way to describe the wide array of women who come to the U.S. and have children.“

Snide?

It’s called birth tourism for a reason.

Chinese women, for example, come to Canada for the sole reason of having Canadian babies. They don’t care a lick about Canada.

Even some of our left-wing papers think it’s worthy of discussion without accusations.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... tizenship/

Could care less about their ethnicity. They could be Polish and I don’t like the idea of sneaking into a country just to have a baby.

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

I was shocked too, which is why I responded to him about it on Twitter. I don't like anyone throwing around "Nazi", IMO the comparisons minimize the awful truth of what they did.

But this has always been a friendly place where all Magnum fans feel welcome. Being upset about something related to the show and showing displeasure is fine, it's how it's relayed that is important.

I loosened a bit of the strings regarding conversation here because most of us are long timers who respect and understand each other. I don't want us to get too comfortable where we loose that.

It's a delicate balance and an important one to make sure one is heard.

Agreed completely with you, Conch! MiniMag is a doofus and anyone else for that matter who compares Trump to Hitler or Trump supporters to Nazis. Clearly these people are ignorant and need to hit the textbooks. Hitler KILLED people. Stalin KILLED people. How many of his opponents has Trump executed so far?? Someone needs to send Hernandez a note (I'm not on Twitter so I can't) that if Trump was Hitler then he (Hernandez) would no longer be among the living. All these Trump opponents are spewing vile hatred against him day after day and yet they're all still alive. How is this possible, if Trump is Hitler/Nazi?????? I don't get it.

Hernandez's tweet was ham handed and invited the interpretation you're making because symbols are, by nature, prone to multiple interpretations. If I recall correctly, the images were a MAGA hat and a Nazi logo. He didn't say "Trump = Hitler" or "Trump supporters = Nazis." Of course MAGA supporters are not White Nationalists, but perhaps it is worth pointing out that those who do identify that way lean toward Trump. Regardless, Trump cannot be Hitler because the political, historical, and social contexts are not the same as in the 1920s and 1930s. But from a broader perspective, there can be trends that bear similarity, such as the advocacy of nationalism (buttressed by appeals to racial or ethnic difference), the ability to seemingly lie without consequence and to declare the media the enemy of the people (the sheer number of lies put out by the current administration is well documented), and the pursuit of dictatorial power. The recent news that the an Executive Order may be issued to challenge the U.S. citizenship of all people born in the country (enshrined in the 14th amendment) should be troubling for anyone who doesn't want a person in power to be able to unilaterally rewrite the Constitution.

There's a reason Trump calls them "fake news". It's because they no longer report the news in an unbiased manner. The media is pretty much left leaning across the board and when you watch the way they conduct interviews with average Americans you can clearly see how they steer and phrase their questions in an anti-Trump fashion. I keep hearing the media ask questions about how divisive is Trump's rhetoric? But I have yet to hear them ask how divisive is Hillary's rhetoric or any other Democrat who calls on their supporters to stand up and fight against the current administration. And you can't tell me that such a thing does not happen. Or how about all those riots across the country when Trump won the election? I thought all those Hillary supporters were supposed to be the civil ones and it's the Trump supporters that are the "deplorables". How quickly that changed, eh? On a dime! How about calling out that deplorable mass as dividing the country? But no, it's the Trumpers that are the divisive ones. How's that for an honest media that is a "friend of the people"?

[Gamer77]

Yes, that's the one.

Then he proceeds to call people who are upset effin' idiots and such.

I personally don't get it.

I'm Canadian* so have no skin in the game with US politics.

However, with Trump's kids marrying Jews, Ivanka converting to Judaism, and in effect making Trump's Grandchildren Jewish, I find these Tweets rather distasteful.

Plus the fact they MUST hurt ratings. Although I don't think it went viral or anything. Jay is not that popular.

* Far-left progressives called our Prime Minister Harper "Hitler" constantly. Even though Canada moved to #1 Ranked Country in the World for Diversity, Equality and Tolerance during his 10 years. Go figure.

Don't sell yourself short. America has nukes and untless something drastically changes in the near future the dollar is still the standard of global trade. So to a lesser or greater extent everyone has skin in the game of American politics. Keeping an ear to the ground doesn't hurt just in case.

That said, for me, personally, it's not the message. I happen to agree with what he's saying to a degree. Rather it's the delivery. One, I never trust politicians of any stripe. Two, I don't believe their interests extend beyond feathering their own nests -if they do a little good during their tenure I'm certain it's a happy accident- call it 'collateral good' if you will. Three, given one and two -it makes me highly suspicious the moment one begins selling either religion, morals, or extreme nationalism, because that's essentially what Hitler did. He just neglected to tell the nation who'd be paying the fiddler(jews, gays, intellectuals, the sick, the old, those born with birth defects, and anyone capable of critical thought with enough of a spine to disagree- ultimately everyone but moving on...) til he had a large enough army of thugs at his back that nobody could oust him.

Hernandez could have simply warned about the dangers of extremism or extreme nationalism in a calm and reasoned manner but then I guess it simply would have gone unremarked or even been considered a bit pedantic/fuddy duddy. He does have a brand and an image to sell now.

There's too much pressure in today's culture to be hip, edgy, and 'cool'(whatever that even means anymore), and part of that seems to be delivering a message in a shocking, abrasive, and even juvenile manner in order to gain as much attention as quickly as possible.

Trouble with that is that the contents of his message(before he resorted to insults), are sentiments -which again- if given calmly and politely, are things most of us of a certain age, regardless of political affiliation, could get behind. Just look at any dictatorship in the last hundred years.

But then again it's the same sort of thing which happens with any message that becomes politicised. The people giving the message manage somehow to make themselves more important than the message itself. As such, any value to be had in the timeliness of its delivery is lost until whatever it was warning about comes true and the merry-go-round of public suffering and recrimination begins anew.

Human nature I guess.

[sandbiscuits]

“Lastly, "a woman sneaking into the country" is a snide way to describe the wide array of women who come to the U.S. and have children.“

Snide?

It’s called birth tourism for a reason.

Chinese women, for example, come to Canada for the sole reason of having Canadian babies. They don’t care a lick about Canada.

Snide seems about right. If that wasn't a derogatory way to refer to immigrant women who have a child in North America, then maybe snide isn't right, either. Perhaps it's in the eye of the beholder. I don't know the motivations of all these Chinese women who "come to Canada for the sole reason of having Canadian babies" or whether or not they "care a lick about Canada." The Globe and Mail article you linked suggests that it's a trend, but without enough supporting data to have a proper discussion. But perhaps you have conducted your own investigations and know the situations of these families.

There is clearly a desire for these parents to actively choose to have their children be a part of Canada. I'd say they probably have a positive view of the country. And the kids may just turn out to be great Canadian patriots (and maybe multilingual, too?).

Setting that aside, I'm genuinely curious, what do you think will be the harmful aspects of having Canadians whose parents desired Canadian citizenship for them? Do you foresee a plot to undermine Canadian values, politics, the economy, or something else?

[sandbiscuits]

Agreed completely with you, Conch! MiniMag is a doofus and anyone else for that matter who compares Trump to Hitler or Trump supporters to Nazis. Clearly these people are ignorant and need to hit the textbooks. Hitler KILLED people. Stalin KILLED people. How many of his opponents has Trump executed so far?? Someone needs to send Hernandez a note (I'm not on Twitter so I can't) that if Trump was Hitler then he (Hernandez) would no longer be among the living. All these Trump opponents are spewing vile hatred against him day after day and yet they're all still alive. How is this possible, if Trump is Hitler/Nazi?????? I don't get it.

Hernandez's tweet was ham handed and invited the interpretation you're making because symbols are, by nature, prone to multiple interpretations. If I recall correctly, the images were a MAGA hat and a Nazi logo. He didn't say "Trump = Hitler" or "Trump supporters = Nazis." Of course MAGA supporters are not White Nationalists, but perhaps it is worth pointing out that those who do identify that way lean toward Trump. Regardless, Trump cannot be Hitler because the political, historical, and social contexts are not the same as in the 1920s and 1930s. But from a broader perspective, there can be trends that bear similarity, such as the advocacy of nationalism (buttressed by appeals to racial or ethnic difference), the ability to seemingly lie without consequence and to declare the media the enemy of the people (the sheer number of lies put out by the current administration is well documented), and the pursuit of dictatorial power. The recent news that the an Executive Order may be issued to challenge the U.S. citizenship of all people born in the country (enshrined in the 14th amendment) should be troubling for anyone who doesn't want a person in power to be able to unilaterally rewrite the Constitution.

There's a reason Trump calls them "fake news". It's because they no longer report the news in an unbiased manner. The media is pretty much left leaning across the board and when you watch the way they conduct interviews with average Americans you can clearly see how they steer and phrase their questions in an anti-Trump fashion. I keep hearing the media ask questions about how divisive is Trump's rhetoric? But I have yet to hear them ask how divisive is Hillary's rhetoric or any other Democrat who calls on their supporters to stand up and fight against the current administration. And you can't tell me that such a thing does not happen. Or how about all those riots across the country when Trump won the election? I thought all those Hillary supporters were supposed to be the civil ones and it's the Trump supporters that are the "deplorables". How quickly that changed, eh? On a dime! How about calling out that deplorable mass as dividing the country? But no, it's the Trumpers that are the divisive ones. How's that for an honest media that is a "friend of the people"?

Trump calls the media more than "fake news." I believe "enemy of the people" is the latest name. If you're looking for similarities to dictatorial regimes, there's a big one. Calls of "enemy of the people" directed at the media are right out of the fascist playbook (check Franco, Mussolini, and Hitler) as well as a term associated with Stalin. Shutting down the voice of an independent press, one that is not a mouthpiece for the government, is key to consolidating non-democratic powers.

You haven't heard about Hillary Clinton's rhetoric lately? Maybe because she's not president. And if you're unable to find media outlets that are discussing the divisiveness of the left, keep poking around. They're pretty easy to find.

I am sensing a lot of anger in your comments on deplorables. I am not sure if you're making those comments as a direct link to the role of the media or not. There is plenty of coverage for whatever viewpoint you want. Welcome to the 2018 media landscape. But as to your specific feelings on civility and "deplorables," I do hope things can move in a direction that will leave you feeling less aggrieved.

[sandbiscuits]

* Far-left progressives called our Prime Minister Harper "Hitler" constantly. Even though Canada moved to #1 Ranked Country in the World for Diversity, Equality and Tolerance during his 10 years. Go figure.

This made me chuckle. Harper was no Hitler, unless Hitler was into taking glamour photos while wearing sweaters and cuddling kittens.

[marlboro]

Oh, sweet jesus. I think I accidentally logged into "Angry Boomers vs Douchebag Leftists Mania. "

[T.Q.]

“Lastly, "a woman sneaking into the country" is a snide way to describe the wide array of women who come to the U.S. and have children.“

Snide?

It’s called birth tourism for a reason.

Chinese women, for example, come to Canada for the sole reason of having Canadian babies. They don’t care a lick about Canada.

Snide seems about right. If that wasn't a derogatory way to refer to immigrant women who have a child in North America, then maybe snide isn't right, either. Perhaps it's in the eye of the beholder. I don't know the motivations of all these Chinese women who "come to Canada for the sole reason of having Canadian babies" or whether or not they "care a lick about Canada." The Globe and Mail article you linked suggests that it's a trend, but without enough supporting data to have a proper discussion. But perhaps you have conducted your own investigations and know the situations of these families.

There is clearly a desire for these parents to actively choose to have their children be a part of Canada. I'd say they probably have a positive view of the country. And the kids may just turn out to be great Canadian patriots (and maybe multilingual, too?).

Setting that aside, I'm genuinely curious, what do you think will be the harmful aspects of having Canadians whose parents desired Canadian citizenship for them? Do you foresee a plot to undermine Canadian values, politics, the economy, or something else?

This is why I don’t talk politics on something like Magnum Mania.

All of a sudden questioning birth tourism becomes ‘what do you think will be the harmful aspects of XYZ’.

‘Do you foresee a plot...’

Or using the term ‘sneaking in’ becomes anti-immigrant or anti-women.

All getting quite ridiculous when harmless opinions get twisted into something they’re not.

I simply don’t believe 7.6 billion people on the planet should be able to, on a whim, get Canadian citizenship for their babies just because they plan it all out to be in Canada for the birth*.

I love Hawaii and have property in Maui. Used to joke with wife we should have our baby there so we could retire in the US. In the end, I believe that’s unethical in a way.

Anyways, I see where this is all going to not going to post on this subject anymore.


*Just like I don’t believe the border jumpers (breaking immigration laws by not seeking out refugee status at official points of entry) should be allowed to stay at all.

Not fair to thousands playing by the rules.

[MagnumsGMTMaster]

I lean far more towards Hernandez's politics than Sellecks. I still watched the original.

You shouldn't have to give up your constitutional right to freedom of expression just because you land the role of Magnum in the reboot.

[Fr. Paddy McGuinness]

I lean far more towards Hernandez's politics than Sellecks. I still watched the original.

You shouldn't have to give up your constitutional right to freedom of expression just because you land the role of Magnum in the reboot.

Well as a simple TV viewer I cannot take his constitutional rights away from him. But viewers can take his economic benefits away from him and the employees of the production company. I believe the question is does it make sense to introduce political beliefs that may alienate some customers from a business that has, at this time a 50/50 shot of success? Would he be so upfront if it was his money on the line? Does he feel it he has a responsibility to help keep hundreds of people employed or will he achieve some greater social good by expressing “Twitter outrage”? And yes I am mildly sarcastic in my treatment of him; but not because of his politics. His tweets remind me of when my son came home from college for the first time and was now the smartest person in every room he entered.