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Pahonu wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:25 pm
Hey Ivan, I just learned an interesting story about two of our favorite shows, H5-O and Rockford. The Rockford Files debuted on Fridays at 9:00 in 1974 and finished the season ranked 12th overall behind H5-O on Tuesdays at 9:00 in 10th. CBS was dominating the ratings at the time with eight of the top ten shows and decided to challenge NBC’s Rockford by moving H5-O from its lead in MASH, to the same Friday time slot as Rockford. Both shows’ ratings dropped dramatically as they cannibalized each other’s audiences. :cry: Rockford dropped to 32nd and H5-O to 39th. ABC moved the initially low performing Six-Million Dollar Man out of Friday and it’s ratings started improving. They replaced it with the ABC Friday Night Movie which finished better, just behind H5-O at 40th! Before the season ended, CBS moved H5-O to Thursdays at 9:00.
What I always find pretty amazing about ROCKFORD is that for such a popular and iconic 70s show, in fact the ultimate PI show, it had pretty low ratings. As you mentioned, season 1 was the only season where it actually finished pretty high (#12) which coincidentally is my favorite season. But most fans prefer the later seasons and critically it certainly became a bigger hit in the later seasons (especially with season 3 and onwards), racking up Emmy noms and wins left and right. Yet the ratings don't reflect this at all. It never broke into the top 20 after that first season, being surpassed by lesser shows like POLICE WOMAN, BARNABY JONES, BARETTA, VEGA$. Shows that we don't even talk about anymore. It's actually pretty mind-boggling if you think about it. I can understand certain shows being way ahead of ROCKFORD (like CHARLIE'S ANGELS) not because they were better but because they were something of a pop-culture phenomena at the time, but these other shows that I mentioned were just your run-of-the-mill cop/detective shows, pretty generic stuff. Not something that took America by storm. Was it just a case of ROCKFORD being too "smart" for the average viewer?

P.S. This probably belongs in the ROCKFORD thread.

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IvanTheTerrible wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:27 pm
Pahonu wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:25 pm
Hey Ivan, I just learned an interesting story about two of our favorite shows, H5-O and Rockford. The Rockford Files debuted on Fridays at 9:00 in 1974 and finished the season ranked 12th overall behind H5-O on Tuesdays at 9:00 in 10th. CBS was dominating the ratings at the time with eight of the top ten shows and decided to challenge NBC’s Rockford by moving H5-O from its lead in MASH, to the same Friday time slot as Rockford. Both shows’ ratings dropped dramatically as they cannibalized each other’s audiences. :cry: Rockford dropped to 32nd and H5-O to 39th. ABC moved the initially low performing Six-Million Dollar Man out of Friday and it’s ratings started improving. They replaced it with the ABC Friday Night Movie which finished better, just behind H5-O at 40th! Before the season ended, CBS moved H5-O to Thursdays at 9:00.
What I always find pretty amazing about ROCKFORD is that for such a popular and iconic 70s show, in fact the ultimate PI show, it had pretty low ratings. As you mentioned, season 1 was the only season where it actually finished pretty high (#12) which coincidentally is my favorite season. But most fans prefer the later seasons and critically it certainly became a bigger hit in the later seasons (especially with season 3 and onwards), racking up Emmy noms and wins left and right. Yet the ratings don't reflect this at all. It never broke into the top 20 after that first season, being surpassed by lesser shows like POLICE WOMAN, BARNABY JONES, BARETTA, VEGA$. Shows that we don't even talk about anymore. It's actually pretty mind-boggling if you think about it. I can understand certain shows being way ahead of ROCKFORD (like CHARLIE'S ANGELS) not because they were better but because they were something of a pop-culture phenomena at the time, but these other shows that I mentioned were just your run-of-the-mill cop/detective shows, pretty generic stuff. Not something that took America by storm. Was it just a case of ROCKFORD being too "smart" for the average viewer?

P.S. This probably belongs in the ROCKFORD thread.
The ratings were never great after the first season for sure, but in that year it was one of NBC’s top shows. The ratings are very relative because it has to do with what else the network has to offer. If I remember correctly H5-O was ranked 10th for CBS in 1974 but there were seven other CBS series ranked higher. Rockford was 12th but NBC had only one or two higher ranked series. ABC had nothing in the top ten that year. In later years Rockford remained among the top half of the ratings of NBC’s offerings. I suppose one doesn’t cancel a mid-level performer if there’s nothing better to replace it.

I think the complexity of plotting and subtlety of Garner’s performance have aged well for the series. Many of the others you cited were more popular and trendy, maybe not pop-culture phenomenon, but trendy. They have aged less well.

I did bring up H5-O ratings in my post to keep at least a little on topic. :lol:

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T.Q. wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:37 pm Secret Witness

Pretty good episode.

The opening hit and chase was well done.

Mark Lenard did a great job. Creepy bad guy.

Another great scene in McGarrett's office. A lot of great dialogue happens in McGarrett's office.

Liked the heartless hitman character. I think he would have put a few extra in the kid in the apartment.

Got a kick out of:

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Superb episode! I would rank it #4 for the season. Really love this one, ever since I saw it many moons ago as a young lad in middle school probably. The hitman really is vicious, holding a gun on a baby! My gosh! :shock: Even before I had a baby of my own I found it very unsettling. Glad he got plugged in the back by sniper Danno at the end! Loved the detail of the fly landing on his face as he expires. The apartment building where the standoff happens is located in Kaimuki, on the corner of Sierra Dr. and Keanu St. I was there, you know. :higgins: I made a point 3 years ago to visit this spot and the apartment still looks exactly as it did in 1974. Also walked by the place where Ted worked and where the hit at the start happened - also in Kaimuki. It's funny that all 3 male guest stars are Marks. :) Mark Jenkins, Mark Lenard, Mark Gordon. Mark Jenkins, who plays Ted the "secret witness" here, was memorable as the guy strapped with a bomb who walks into the Five-O office in "The Bomber and Mrs. Moroney" back in season 3. He guested again in season 4's "Follow the White Brick Road" as the junkie aboard the navy ship. Mark Lenard also appeared twice earlier. Also we get a pre-LAVERNE & SHIRLEY Cindy Williams here as the wife with the baby. Great episode, with lots of cool camera angles as is usually the case with episodes directed by Michael O'Herlihy. Don Ray provides his usual excellent music score as well.

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Luther's nephew Dobie wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:58 am William Smith, who played Detective James "Kimo" Carew on Hawaii 5-0 passed away on July 5. He was one of those character actors you immediately recognized but might have trouble
recalling his name. Known for his muscular body, he was best known for his time on the Western "Laredo". I loved that series when I was young but I saw again it on the INSP network and
it wasn't very good, or rather it's obvious it was made to appeal to teens or even younger folk.
Smith was terrific playing bad guys, in the Rockford Files pilot he memorably got beat up in the mens room of a sleazy theater by Rockford after Jim soaped up the floor and Smith slipped
and wound up helpless on his back. When Rockford ties him up and threatens to leave him there for the perverts unless he coughs up some info, the look on Smith's face is priceless.
Though the PC police now usually bleep out some of the dialog.
He was also known for his role in Any Which Way You Can with Clint Eastwood. Smith was an Air Force vet and was it's weightlifting champion.
RIP Big Guy.
William Smith was the perennial bad guy on every cop/detective/action show of the 70s and 80s! That raspy voice of his was iconic, and the older he got the more raspier it became. Honestly he was miscast on Five-O. I could never see him as anything but a heavy (yeah, I know he was in LAREDO as a good guy but he was younger then). That ROCKFORD pilot scene in the bathroom that you mention was iconic!! :D Doesn't Rockford call him a gorilla and that he's trying to overcompensate for something? That really makes him fly off the handle! Smith really was the ultimate thug/bully/enforcer type on TV. Which is why seeing him play a Five-O team member was so weird. He's the type of creep who would normally be brought down by a hail of bullets. A missed opportunity that he was never a heavy on the show.

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Death with Father

Very good.

Good job directing by Jack Lord (not that I know much about directing).

Peter Strauss and Andrew Duggan do well.

Loved the stealing from the evidence locker.

And wow. What an ending.

Dad tough on kid growing up.
Kid resentful and rebellious.
Dad still tries to protect kid.
Kid not to into forgiveness...
Kablooey.

"No Dad, you're coming with me."
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T.Q. wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:24 pm Death with Father

Very good.

Good job directing by Jack Lord (not that I know much about directing).

Peter Strauss and Andrew Duggan do well.

Loved the stealing from the evidence locker.

And wow. What an ending.

Dad tough on kid growing up.
Kid resentful and rebellious.
Dad still tries to protect kid.
Kid not to into forgiveness...
Kablooey.

"No Dad, you're coming with me."
Yep, that last line is what really makes this episode. "No dad, you're coming with me". Then "spark spark" and KABOOM! Freeze frame. Classic Five-O ending. Overall it's not as strong as some of the previous episodes (certainly not as strong as "Secret Witness" just prior to this) but it's all worth it just for that epic conclusion. Andrew Duggan and Peter Strauss are well cast and very good as father and son. I also dig Kwan Hi Lim and Seth Sakai as the 2 big timers in the drug trade. They look like they mean business. I like the scenes at the Natatorium where they meet with Strauss. Yes, Jack Lord getting behind the camera is noteworthy here and he certainly knows what he wants the camera to do. He also liked to get Morton Stevens to score the episodes he directed. Isn't there a musical punch when "directed by Jack Lord" appears on the screen? :lol: You know Lord Jack insisted on that! :D He would go on to direct one episode per season from here on out. His best was season 9's "The Bells Toll at Noon" with Rich Little.

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Murder with a Golden Touch

Okay episode.

I wasn’t engrossed or anything.

Was a good idea for the gold scam.

Ending was good.

MPI: John Fujioka, Haunani Minn, Joe Moore.

Nightmare in Blue

Wow. Excellent, Gripping and disturbing. As I’ve said before, I have girls so I’m sensitive to rape stories. I actually teared up over a few scenes.

Very bold for the 70s.

I didn’t like when McGarrett said “any rape and death that happened after this was with her blessing”. Probably the first thing he’s said in the series that bugged me.

Lord did an exceptional job acting in this one though.

Loved when the psycho bought it in the end. Cheered inside.

MPI: Alan Fudge, Elissa Dulce Hoopai, Ed Fernandez, John Beck (Michelle’s husband).
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"No Dad, you're coming with me."
Yep, that last line is what really makes this episode. "No dad, you're coming with me". Then "spark spark" and KABOOM! Freeze frame. Classic Five-O ending.


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Little Garwood wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:21 am "No Dad, you're coming with me."
Yep, that last line is what really makes this episode. "No dad, you're coming with me". Then "spark spark" and KABOOM! Freeze frame. Classic Five-O ending.


It’s nice to see this thread is still going.
Yes. It’s fun.

Ivan has been MIA for a while.

Hope he’s okay and not decomposing in an Oahu rainforest somewhere.
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T.Q. wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:42 pm
Little Garwood wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:21 am "No Dad, you're coming with me."
Yep, that last line is what really makes this episode. "No dad, you're coming with me". Then "spark spark" and KABOOM! Freeze frame. Classic Five-O ending.


It’s nice to see this thread is still going.
Yes. It’s fun.

Ivan has been MIA for a while.

Hope he’s okay and not decomposing in an Oahu rainforest somewhere.
Yes, I noticed he hasn’t been around. I answered a question for him about the estate several days ago and didn’t get a response.

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T.Q. wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:42 pm
Little Garwood wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:21 am "No Dad, you're coming with me."
Yep, that last line is what really makes this episode. "No dad, you're coming with me". Then "spark spark" and KABOOM! Freeze frame. Classic Five-O ending.


It’s nice to see this thread is still going.
Yes. It’s fun.

Ivan has been MIA for a while.

Hope he’s okay and not decomposing in an Oahu rainforest somewhere.
Ok, just found my way out of the rainforest. No more school boy tricks. :|

Sorry, busy with this thing called life. :)

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IvanTheTerrible wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:21 pm
T.Q. wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:42 pm
Little Garwood wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:21 am "No Dad, you're coming with me."
Yep, that last line is what really makes this episode. "No dad, you're coming with me". Then "spark spark" and KABOOM! Freeze frame. Classic Five-O ending.


It’s nice to see this thread is still going.
Yes. It’s fun.

Ivan has been MIA for a while.

Hope he’s okay and not decomposing in an Oahu rainforest somewhere.
Ok, just found my way out of the rainforest. No more school boy tricks. :|

Sorry, busy with this thing called life. :)
Indeed.

Never let us distract you from your career and life goals. :lol:

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T.Q. wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:57 am Murder with a Golden Touch

Okay episode.

I wasn’t engrossed or anything.

Was a good idea for the gold scam.

Ending was good.

MPI: John Fujioka, Haunani Minn, Joe Moore.

Nightmare in Blue

Wow. Excellent, Gripping and disturbing. As I’ve said before, I have girls so I’m sensitive to rape stories. I actually teared up over a few scenes.

Very bold for the 70s.

I didn’t like when McGarrett said “any rape and death that happened after this was with her blessing”. Probably the first thing he’s said in the series that bugged me.

Lord did an exceptional job acting in this one though.

Loved when the psycho bought it in the end. Cheered inside.

MPI: Alan Fudge, Elissa Dulce Hoopai, Ed Fernandez, John Beck (Michelle’s husband).
Murder with a Golden Touch
You're right about this one. Pretty good episode but no classic. I like it enough for the "sunken treasure" part of it. I like the whole scheme of depositing the gold underwater and then "discovering" it later. The 2 brothers getting deep sixed like that was pretty cold blooded and creepy as we see their dead bodies floating underwater. Season 6 keeps stacking the body count. I'm surprised you didn't mention John Orchard as one of the 2 conspirators (the other being Peter Donat) - wasn't he a semi-regular on M*A*S*H? Ugly something?

Nightmare in Blue
Yep, gripping, disturbing, excellent - all perfect adjectives for this one. I know many claim "One Big Happy Family" is the most disturbing episode in the entire series (because it's about a white trash family of serial killers) but in my book this one takes the top spot as the single most disturbing episode! The thing about the other episode is while it's creepy and unsettling most of what happens is off-screen. So we don't actually see any of it. It's all just left to our imaginations. With this one we actually see a woman brutally attacked and John Beck's rapist is particularly vicious towards her. Same thing happens again at the end with the other woman at his apartment building. Or the image of the first victim being dumped out of the car as the car door opens - a chilling scene! Don Ray's score makes it even more creepy with those high pitched screeching violins! It's a really unsettling score and was rightly Emmy nominated. I also love the POV of the police light on top of Beck's car as he prowls the streets looking for his next victim. It reminds me of the shark's fin from JAWS. It's during those POV shots of that police light that Ray's screeching violins really get a workout!

As I said Beck is perhaps the nastiest and most vicious character in the entire series and really sends a chill down your spine. He's a psycho alright but he's not the usual Five-O psycho - paranoid, schizophrenic, confused, or babbling. This one is fairly handsome and can put on the charms when needed. And in his cop uniform he looks downright trustworthy. But inside he's basically a primal animal. When he gets blasted at the end off the balcony it's a moment to jump off the couch and pump your fist - YEAAH!!! :lol: Love the freeze frame and Leonard Freeman's credit over his sunglasses. I agree that Lord was on fire here and also agree that he was a bit too hard on Andrea (who obviously was in shock after what happened) but we've also rarely seen McGarrett so obsessed with stopping this animal. It's understandable that he didn't want another dead body on his hands and since he really had zero leads he literally was grasping at the only thing he had (Andrea) to try to put a stop to these rapes and murders. Anyway, Katherine Justice did an exceptional job as the terrified victim Andrea and also Alan Fudge as her less than supportive husband was very good too. We also see Melody Patterson (Wrangler Jane from F TROOP) as Sherry, the airline stewardess friend of the first victim. She of course was married to James MacArthur at the time. This is my second favorite episode of the season! Used to be "Draw Me a Killer" but recently I've nudged it over to the #3 spot. There's just so many classic episodes this season!

- That apartment building where Beck lived and got blasted away at the end has a very unique look. Kind of a futuristic look to it. Must have been very modern back in the day. It's still there today. I was there, you know. :higgins: It's in Hawaii Kai and called The Esplanade. Just across from Koko Crater. https://www.hawaiilife.com/blog/esplana ... esidences/
- The scene at the start where the first victim's car breaks down is just above the gun range at the foothills of Koko Crater. I was there, you know. :higgins: Of course I also did the Koko hike to the top! Fantabulous view from the top!
- The house where Andrea is attacked by Beck is also still there. That's actually just behind Diamond Head (right at the foothills) on the corner of Paikau St. and 22nd Ave. I was there, you know. :higgins:

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Murder with a Golden Touch:
Yes. Ugly John from first few episodes of MASH.

Nightmare in Blue:
I actually meant to mention the music.

I don’t often notice it (sometimes I do) but I did this episode for sure. Wrote the review hours later and forgot.

Was awesome.
Don Ray's score makes it even more creepy with those high pitched screeching violins! It's a really unsettling score and was rightly Emmy nominated.
Interesting facts. Thanks. I knew we kept you around for a reason. :lol:
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Mother's Deadly Helper

Good episode. I liked it.

The desire to see justice (that turns to vigilantism) is an interesting topic.

Dang bleeding-heart judges. :lol:

I always love the letter/phone call stories. Writing to McGarrett seeking his approval.

The switcheroo at the funeral was good.

And always up for a good Magnum like chase down alleys.

Didn’t even recognize Casey Kasem… until I heard his voice.

One reviewer on IMDb wrote “No wonder Kam Fong was disgusted with the show's declining quality and wanted out!”.

WHAT??? Bizarre comment. I thought season 5 was excellent and so is season 6.
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