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#346 Post by ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) »

T.Q. wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:25 pm 'The One with the Gun' and 'Most Likely to Murder' on Monday.

Good episodes.

Like looking for actors.

Baltar - Battlestar Galactica

Fish - Barney Miller

And Tom Skerritt was so young.
I think you're confusing Fish with Yemana. Jack Soo was in "The One With the Gun". You won't see Abe Vigoda (Fish) until season 7's "The Two-Faced Corpse".

I gotta say though that Soo has one of the most bizarre wide faces I've ever seen. His face looks more wide than long (which is very atypical) and there's something about those sleepy eyes which are set too far apart and the mouth which give the guy a VERY unique look.

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IvanTheTerrible wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:54 pm
T.Q. wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:25 pm 'The One with the Gun' and 'Most Likely to Murder' on Monday.

Good episodes.

Like looking for actors.

Baltar - Battlestar Galactica

Fish - Barney Miller

And Tom Skerritt was so young.
I think you're confusing Fish with Yemana. Jack Soo was in "The One With the Gun". You won't see Abe Vigoda (Fish) until season 7's "The Two-Faced Corpse".

I gotta say though that Soo has one of the most bizarre wide faces I've ever seen. His face looks more wide than long (which is very atypical) and there's something about those sleepy eyes which are set too far apart and the mouth which give the guy a VERY unique look.
Ah, yes.

Yemana. My bad.

Haven't seen Barney Miller since reruns as a kid after school.

As soon as I read "I think you're confusing Fish" I realized though. :wink:

One I missed was "Cry, Lie".

Enjoyed the episode. Ending was abrupt and weird though.

Took me a second to recognize Martin Sheen (Eddie Calhao). He was so young and I was thinking I know that guy. 10 seconds later BING BING BING. :lol:
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Three Dead Cows at Makapuu

I liked it a lot.
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"Cry, Lie" was very good and the first Chin-centric episode. We won't get another one until season 5. Kam Fong did a very good job in it, for basically a non-actor. Did you know he was a former HPD officer (Honolulu Police Department) before trying his hand at acting? The producer Leonard Freeman hired him on the spot when he came in to audition, exclaiming "That's my Chin!" :D And yes Martin Sheen was very young there and very snotty-nosed. Good role for him in that episode! He has another similar role, playing again an ambitious character (though less snotty-nosed LOL) in season 3.

As for "Three Dead Cows" I guess I'm less impressed with that one. It's a good and relevant story about biological warfare but somehow it tends to drag for me, especially it being a 2-parter. It's basically "chase the elusive vial" for 2 hours. Good acting all around (Loretta Swit again!) and the stakes are certainly high and there are some tense moments, but like the season 1 two-parter "Once Upon a Time" (which is ranked high) I tend to skip it. Though I do prefer this one to "Once Upon". I think for me they both lack that strong Five-O feel - crime-solving, organized crime, espionage, psychos.

What did you think of "Nightmare Road"? Espionage! My type of episode! :D I think the end shootout on the beach was the same place used at the end of "The Devil and Mr. Frog".

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IvanTheTerrible wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:05 pm "Cry, Lie" was very good and the first Chin-centric episode. We won't get another one until season 5. Kam Fong did a very good job in it, for basically a non-actor. Did you know he was a former HPD officer (Honolulu Police Department) before trying his hand at acting? The producer Leonard Freeman hired him on the spot when he came in to audition, exclaiming "That's my Chin!" :D And yes Martin Sheen was very young there and very snotty-nosed. Good role for him in that episode! He has another similar role, playing again an ambitious character (though less snotty-nosed LOL) in season 3.

As for "Three Dead Cows" I guess I'm less impressed with that one. It's a good and relevant story about biological warfare but somehow it tends to drag for me, especially it being a 2-parter. It's basically "chase the elusive vial" for 2 hours. Good acting all around (Loretta Swit again!) and the stakes are certainly high and there are some tense moments, but like the season 1 two-parter "Once Upon a Time" (which is ranked high) I tend to skip it. Though I do prefer this one to "Once Upon". I think for me they both lack that strong Five-O feel - crime-solving, organized crime, espionage, psychos.

What did you think of "Nightmare Road"? Espionage! My type of episode! :D I think the end shootout on the beach was the same place used at the end of "The Devil and Mr. Frog".
I liked Nightmare Road a lot. Beach looked like it.

Finished Season 2 yesterday with “Kiss the Queen Goodbye”. Loved the episode primarily because I love Hawaiian cultural storyline. I want McGarrett’s red jacket.

Overall. Enjoyed Season 2 more than season 1. Usually that’s the way with series as the characters and relationships grow a bit.

On to Season 3.
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"Kiss the Queen Goodbye" is especially notable for its filming at the Makaha Country Club on the leeward side of the island. Typically we didn't get that much filming on that side of the island, even on MPI. I wonder if it's because that side has a reputation for not being too friendly to tourists and "haoles" in general. Or at least that's the advice I got when I first visited in 2008, saying it's better to stay away from that side of the island, that it's less safe there. Needless to say I still took a drive up that coast as far up north as I could. :D But yes that was a good heist episode with good use of Makaha location shooting. Also I like that "cute" music that plays when the little Hawaiian girls are dancing during the Queen celebration towards the end. It would be heard multiple times during the show in further episodes.

Yes, you'll see the quality of the episodes rise with each consecutive season. The show probably peaked during its 6th season, exactly the midpoint of the show's 12-year run. But honestly it had a fantastic 9-season run before it started to slump with season 10. That's when a noticeable decline in quality really happened. During season 5 (1972-1973) it was the third most watched show in America, according to Nielsen ratings, only behind #1 ALL IN THE FAMILY and #2 SANFORD AND SON. During season 6 (1973-1974) it was at #5. So those 2 seasons were definitely the height of the show's popularity! Now, I'm a big fan of season 1 (largely due to the raw feel of that first season) but it was actually in danger of being cancelled. Hard to believe because I can't think of another show during the 1968-1969 season that could match the awesomeness of FIVE-O. IRONSIDE? MANNIX? MOD SQUAD? Nope, no way! Not even MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE or BONANZA and I'm a fan of both. But the on-location shooting in Hawaii was expensive and I guess it hadn't captured enough of an audience during that first season so it didn't fare well in the Nielsen ratings. But they took a chance and renewed it for the 2nd season and more people started tuning in. By the end of the second season it broke through into the Nielsen Top 20 (at #18 I think). But the 3rd season really cemented the show as it shot up to #7, so enjoy it - it's a great season!

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And a Time to Die... - Enjoy the Wo Fat episodes.

Trouble in Mind - Found the music throughout quite annoying. Wasn't my cup of tea this episode.

The Second Shot - Got distracted and stopped paying attention. Worth going back?

Time and Memories - Good episode. Little back story/flashbacks to McGarrett were good.

The Guarnerius Caper - Loved this episode. The bad guys were like the people overtaking society right now. :wink:
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T.Q. wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:42 pm And a Time to Die... - Enjoy the Wo Fat episodes.

Trouble in Mind - Found the music throughout quite annoying. Wasn't my cup of tea this episode.

The Second Shot - Got distracted and stopped paying attention. Worth going back?

Time and Memories - Good episode. Little back story/flashbacks to McGarrett were good.

The Guarnerius Caper - Loved this episode. The bad guys were like the people overtaking society right now. :wink:
I enjoy Trouble in Mind more with each viewing. The twist when you find out who the actual addict is is really cool. Did not see that coming! Also the end is really tragic. Also loved the reveal of how the rat poison got into the sugar.

The Second Shot - I honestly don't know how you got distracted watching this one. :lol: It's one of the season's best! Cool assassination plot, Robin's Nest, love how McGarrett puts it all together at the end. Definitely worth going back! It's better than the Wo Fat episode.

Time and Memories - Martin Sheen again!

Guarnerius - Anthony James steals the show playing the wolf-like creep Hutch who wants to play ball with the Russkie's fiddle. Wants to be a "champeen ball player". :lol: Outta sight, maan! Outta sight!!!
But seriously, those 2 are probably the trashiest scumbags you'll see on the show!

Anyway, out of those 5 that you saw... "The Second Shot" is definitely the highlight so you probably want to go back and see that one.

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Yep. Worth the watch. Glad I went back. Thx.

Also watched “Ransom”. Top notch.

Also noticed the acting for some reason.
Danno, I swear, that if they kill that big Hawaiian, I'm gonna get them! No matter where they go, no matter how long it takes... I'm gonna get them!
It hit me. Was much more of a skill back then.
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T.Q. wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:01 pm Yep. Worth the watch. Glad I went back. Thx.

Also watched “Ransom”. Top notch.

Also noticed the acting for some reason.
Danno, I swear, that if they kill that big Hawaiian, I'm gonna get them! No matter where they go, no matter how long it takes... I'm gonna get them!
It hit me. Was much more of a skill back then.
"The Ransom" is awesome!!! Probably my second favorite episode of the season. Very intense!! Love everything about it - the creepy night-time kidnapping of the kid, the ransom drop gone wrong at Sea Life Park (love that place, been there multiple times - love those dolphin shows!), the kidnapping of Kono, then him helping the kid escape through the skylight, then the beat-down he receives from the kidnapper ("I'm gonna fix you, cop"), McGarrett losing it when he sees Kono's beat-up face, the finale at the cemetery and then at the marina, gasoline in the eyes (OUCH!!!) - just great stuff!! Love the music too - the catchy tune that plays at Sea Life Park during the money surveillance (heard in earlier episodes), the suspense music during the opening teaser kidnapping, also heard multiple earlier times - going back all the way to the pilot "Cocoon" when McG is undercover crawling around inside the belly of that ship where the Cocoon is located. Great music throughout by Morton Stevens! And yep that's the same kidnapped kid that was snatched in "The Devil and Mr. Frog" but this episode is so much better! More suspenseful, more at stake here. In that episode the kidnapping was over quickly and the rest of the episode dealt with the kidnapper trying to unload "hot money" that he couldn't spend.

Agreed on that line by McGarrett that you quoted. Love it! Don't mess with McGarrett!!! Jack Lord could really deliver and like you said the acting was more noticeable back then. When he said that line it sent shivers down your spine! Nowadays actors just mumble and try to look brooding. It's funny but that line is very similar to the previous episode where McG is seething mad... "I want Mazzini's killers so badly I can taste it!" after the brutal knifing death of the elderly violin teacher. Unfortunately the critics at the time didn't give Jack Lord his due as an actor. They thought he was too serious, too much of a square in that role. They preferred the likes of Peter Falk/Columbo or James Garner/Rockford. But hey, no one could do the "tough cop who cares" routine better than Lord. One other thing is that it's easy to ham it up doing a role like this (just check out Shatner in T.J. HOOKER) but Lord nailed it just right - the mark of a good actor!

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I was gonna ask how the heck Jack Lord was never even nominated for an Emmy but I looked it up and seems the Emmys in the 70s didn't work like that.
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Not to stoke any fires, but the best actor Emmy’s of the 1970’s went to some pretty good actors including Hal Holbrook, Ed Asner, and the above mentioned, and my favorite actor of all time, James Garner. Remember also, that these nominations and winners are being selected by their peers, fellow actors, not some random group. I suspect that Jack Lord was considered at the time to be a “type-actor”. He played straight laced, no-nonsense, serious types, and he played them well as he does in Hawaii Five-O. His range was perhaps not as wide as many other actors and he played McGarrett in this somewhat narrow range. I think this likely contributed to his lack of even an Emmy nomination in the 70’s. Some other very talented actors including Karl Malden, an Academy Award winner, and Raymond Burr were nominated multiple times and never won. Just some thoughts.

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Pahonu wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:19 pm Not to stoke any fires, but the best actor Emmy’s of the 1970’s went to some pretty good actors including Hal Holbrook, Ed Asner, and the above mentioned, and my favorite actor of all time, James Garner. Remember also, that these nominations and winners are being selected by their peers, fellow actors, not some random group. I suspect that Jack Lord was considered at the time to be a “type-actor”. He played straight laced, no-nonsense, serious types, and he played them well as he does in Hawaii Five-O. His range was perhaps not as wide as many other actors and he played McGarrett in this somewhat narrow range. I think this likely contributed to his lack of even an Emmy nomination in the 70’s. Some other very talented actors including Karl Malden, an Academy Award winner, and Raymond Burr were nominated multiple times and never won. Just some thoughts.
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T.Q. wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:17 pm
Pahonu wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:19 pm Not to stoke any fires, but the best actor Emmy’s of the 1970’s went to some pretty good actors including Hal Holbrook, Ed Asner, and the above mentioned, and my favorite actor of all time, James Garner. Remember also, that these nominations and winners are being selected by their peers, fellow actors, not some random group. I suspect that Jack Lord was considered at the time to be a “type-actor”. He played straight laced, no-nonsense, serious types, and he played them well as he does in Hawaii Five-O. His range was perhaps not as wide as many other actors and he played McGarrett in this somewhat narrow range. I think this likely contributed to his lack of even an Emmy nomination in the 70’s. Some other very talented actors including Karl Malden, an Academy Award winner, and Raymond Burr were nominated multiple times and never won. Just some thoughts.
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See? That's the thing. Raymond Burr???? Talk about an actor that could make you go comatose. The man sleep-walked through all his roles, whether it was PERRY MASON or IRONSIDE. Mike Connors got nominated for MANNIX too. I don't mind Connors or MANNIX but Lord ran circles around him. Same with Karl Malden on STREETS OF SAN FRANCISCO. He got nominated but he's laughable doing the "tough cop" routine. I really like the show and like him in it but when he was trying to rough up a suspect it was hilarious. He felt like a silly uncle trying to act tough. William Conrad was also nominated for CANNON. What was his gimmick? He was a fat private eye! Seriously, that's it.

The only guy who was in Lord's league (of playing the hard-edged "don't cross me" type) was Telly Savalas playing KOJAK. He actually got nominated and won. The other guys are a joke compared to Lord. Seriously, we can all have our opinions but if you're gonna nominate Connors, Conrad, Malden, Burr (SHUDDER!) then where the heck is Lord's nomination? You're seriously gonna tell me he didn't deserve it but those others did? His show was 10 times more popular and had higher ratings than its peers and as an actor he blew the others away. But hey, if your preference is watching Burr fumbling around in his wheelchair and delivering lines in such a flat manner as to make your eyes glaze over then he's the guy for you. I imagine they nominated him because he probably represented a special interest group - those in wheelchairs? :roll: As we all know Lord didn't play the Hollywood game and was not the easiest to get along with. He was a perfectionist every step of the way and being very private he didn't socialize much. I suppose he ruffled some feathers along the way (James Bond/Star Trek) and maybe his peers didn't care for him. But the fact that he was a damn good actor remains and the fact that he didn't get recognized for it is truly unfair! 12 seasons and not a single nomination? You know something isn't right. That's fine if the Emmy's preferred the likes of Peter Falk or James Garner (both fine actors in their roles) because their roles were more animated and quirky, but if that's the case then guys like Mike Connors or William Conrad or Raymond Burr shouldn't have been nominated either because they played those same straight-laced, no-nonsense types that Lord did, except with less skill and watchability than Lord.

BTW, this isn't directed at you, Pahonu. Just my musings and observations in general. You and I already had this discussion few months back regarding Lord vs. Malden, but I can't see how Mike Connors had greater "range" than Lord. I won't even bother mentioning Mr. Comatose Burr.

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