Hawaii Five-O: Any Fans?

[Pahonu]

So the H&I (Heroes and Icons) network shows FIVE-O every Friday, 5 episodes in a row, starting at noon. Right now they're showing season 5. So far they've shown every episode from the previous 4 seasons. But today I checked the schedule and they skipped "Pig in a Blanket" and "Chain of Events". I was confused at first and then it dawned on me that "Pig in a Blanket" has Danno shooting an unarmed teen. I guess in today's climate showing something like this is a no-no?? Never mind that it's an episode from 1972 or that the person getting shot by a cop isn't even a black person. UNBELIEVABLE!! Are we really gonna start censoring things like this?? Because someone might get offended. Does that mean every cop show episode from the past where a cop shoots someone by mistake is to be yanked by the networks?? Crazy.

I'm still trying to figure out why "Chain of Events" was skipped. That one dealt with venereal diseases and a political candidate who gave venereal disease to both his wife and a girl (underage?) that he was seeing on the side. So is that too controversial too??? Oh my... Just look at the cable shows that people watch today!! That's acceptable but something from 70s network TV isn't??? Something is seriously screwed up somewhere.

Hey Ivan, I’m not sure why you find it so unbelievable… all caps even. Different networks have different policies about what they will show or not show. These programming decisions typically are made based on audience data and the origin of the advertising money. I wouldn’t rush to judgement as some kind of significant shift. It’s one network’s decision, that you clearly don’t agree with. I don’t know much about H&I but I did watch Cloth of Gold last week on it.

Some network polices exclude entire series and genres from consideration. It’s an obvious example, but I doubt The Hallmark Channel will be showing Breaking Bad anytime soon! The Breaking Bad audience also isn’t likely to purchase the denture cream advertised on Hallmark either. Different networks program for different audiences. As independent businesses, it’s their call ultimately. It’s how they make a profit.

Hey, you can always start your own network and show every H5-O episode on a continuous loop! Of course, you probably couldn’t get a decent copy of “Bored, She Hung Herself” to air. CBS made that programming decision long ago.

Breaking Bad on the Hallmark Channel is a bad example. I'm sure they won't be showing Five-O or any other crime drama anytime soon. So that's neither here nor there. We're talking about a network (Heroes & Icons) that's all about action heroes and crime dramas and good guys vs. bad guys. So airing Five-O and showing a fairly disturbing rape episode one week (like "Skinhead" which they did show) and then choosing not to show an episode where Danno shoots a teen makes no sense. It's just unnecessary. It's a cop show and cops shoot people. Like it or not. If you don't like cops shooting someone then you might as well not show Five-O at all. Or any other cop show. Just my 2 cents. It's a pet peeve of mine because it's basically someone treating the audience like children and deciding for them whether they should be allowed to see something or not. How about letting the audience decide for themselves? We're not talking about something graphic here, something that doesn't adhere to network TV standards. In this case it's just a knee-jerk reaction... "ooooh, we better not show this because someone might get offended". Well, someone might be more offended by the rape episode yet they decided to show that one. So who are they to decide what's offensive or not and to whom?

I get it being a pet peeve of yours, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is not your decision what they show. You don’t really have any evidence that it’s a knee-jerk reaction either. You may feel that way but that doesn’t make it accurate.

Also, cable networks like H&I don’t have to follow the same standards as broadcast networks like CBS or other non-network broadcast channels. This is because they are pay cable networks, not broadcasting over the airwaves. They are not subject to the same FCC rules, such as fair use and time of day limitations, so each establishes their own set of standards.

To answer your question, “So who are they to decide what’s offensive or not and to whom?”

Quite bluntly, the owners and management of the network. It’s their company to run not yours or mine.

As I explained in the first post, using the Hallmark example because it was the most obvious, it’s entirely the choice of management what to show or not, by genre, by episode, or by any other criteria they want. They could choose not to show anything in black and white, or just omit a single episode (Bored She Hung Herself), or whatever. It’s their programming decision as owners.

The “to whom” part of your statement, IS in your control. Don’t patronize the network by watching it and you as an audience member have decided for yourself. They are not however, compelled to show you everything you want.

That’s why I joked that you could start your own network and have the broadcasting decisions entirely in your hands. Judging by your comments from the past about current programming, your hypothetical network IVAN-TV probably wouldn’t show anything from the last 20 years. (Am I wrong? ) I’m sure many people wouldn’t agree with your choices, but they would be IVAN-TV standards, and all they could do about it is tune out if you didn’t show something they wanted to see.

[T.Q.]

Sad news, Walter Omori has passed away. He appeared as an extra in many Classic Hawaii Five-O episodes, ranging from season one's "The Box" to the finale, "Woe to Wo Fat." (See http://www.fiveohomepage.com/walteromori.) According to his obituary which appeared in the Star-Advertiser (https://obits.staradvertiser.com/.../walter-masashi.../), he also appeared in more than the one episode of the original Magnum, P.I. which was brought to my attention here.

That's too bad.

He was the mystery man for a long while but that was solved thanks to your help.

[T.Q.]

The Kahuna

5.9 rating in IMDb but I liked it.

Like the Hawaiian stuff (small town, traditions, curses, kapu, Kahunas).

Pretty decent story to me.

And Cathy Lee Crosby was hot in her swimsuit.

Not to get in trouble for sexism in PC 2022, I'll admit Kimo was pretty hunkish too.

Definitely see a diminishing role for McGarrett in Season 12.

Reminded me a bit of the Curse of the Kamehameha Club and Kapu Magnum episodes.

Truck so reminds me of one of my best friends who's Hawaiian. My surrogate Dad I've mentioned before. It's uncanny.

MPI: Don Knight, Charles Peck, Elizabeth Smith (always love her), Bill Verdier, Douglas Mossman, Winston Char, Barton McCollough,

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

You don’t really have any evidence that it’s a knee-jerk reaction either. You may feel that way but that doesn’t make it accurate.

Well, if it walks like a duck, and looks like a duck, and smells like a duck... then guess what? Quack-quack! There's my evidence. I highly doubt they decided to pull this particular episode just willy-nilly, after showing every previous episode.

Judging by your comments from the past about current programming, your hypothetical network IVAN-TV probably wouldn’t show anything from the last 20 years. (Am I wrong? )

You're not wrong but if I decide to show a particular series on ZELENSKY-TV then I'm showing all the episodes of that series, not some. If I decide to eliminate a particular episode folks might be right in wondering what's going on.

I'm almost positive that when H&I gets to season 6's "Tricks are Not Treats" they'll omit that one too. It's all about black pimps. Don't know if that will fly. Although there are channels that show blaxploitation cinema but in those cases the heroes are always black. Here the heroes are all white and the baddies are all black pimps. I guess we'll see if it's another knee-jerk or not...

[Pahonu]

You don’t really have any evidence that it’s a knee-jerk reaction either. You may feel that way but that doesn’t make it accurate.

Well, if it walks like a duck, and looks like a duck, and smells like a duck... then guess what? Quack-quack! There's my evidence. I highly doubt they decided to pull this particular episode just willy-nilly, after showing every previous episode.

Judging by your comments from the past about current programming, your hypothetical network IVAN-TV probably wouldn’t show anything from the last 20 years. (Am I wrong? )

You're not wrong but if I decide to show a particular series on ZELENSKY-TV then I'm showing all the episodes of that series, not some. If I decide to eliminate a particular episode folks might be right in wondering what's going on.

I'm almost positive that when H&I gets to season 6's "Tricks are Not Treats" they'll omit that one too. It's all about black pimps. Don't know if that will fly. Although there are channels that show blaxploitation cinema but in those cases the heroes are always black. Here the heroes are all white and the baddies are all black pimps. I guess we'll see if it's another knee-jerk or not...

I never argued that H&I made the decision willy nilly to remove episodes. I argued that these channels develop their own system of rules and standards for what they show. These are largely based on audience and potential advertisers to that audience. They want to enlarge the audience not shrink it, and increase ad revenue, not reduce it. It’s a business.

Perhaps they’ve concluded that for every viewer that they might lose by a particular programming decision, they may gain two more? I don’t know that’s the explanation, but I would wager it is a business decision to increase profits ahead of any moral position. Either way, applying a system of standards (even if you and I don’t know them) is the opposite of your knee-jerk comment.

May I ask why you haven’t had the same unbelieving response to the missing H5-O episode all these years? That’s also not letting the audience decide for itself. It seems like CBS and H5-0’s creators are still treating us like children, as you wrote earlier, and not letting us decide for ourselves. I expect you don’t like it either but I don’t recall you making similar comments of disbelief as you did here.

I suspect the reason is at least partly because you have some explanation for why it is still kept out of the series. On the contrary, you don’t have an explanation here, so have created one… and justified it with a duck trope. We’ve had this conversation more than once before. What you think is obvious based on your ideas and beliefs isn’t always the same for others. Hey, you think H5-O is a perfect show as you have stated. The vast majority wouldn’t agree with that… especially as TQ watches season 12!

I’m not joking at all here. Why don’t you contact the channel and ask for an explanation? It couldn’t hurt and probably wouldn’t take as long as our back and forth has. I understand that you don’t like this programming decision or agree with it. No one is asking you to. What I do not understand is how you can jump to such conclusions as to WHY without any evidence… ducks not withstanding.

[Mr. Mike]

H&I (Heroes & Icons) is not a "cable TV" channel where I live (Vancouver, BC). It is on KVOS TV (Bellingham, WA, just over the border) and it's part of their lineup which is divided into multiple digital channels: 12.1: Heroes & Icons, 12.2: Movies!, 12.3: MeTV, 12.4: Decades, 12.5: Start TV, 12.6: MeTV Plus, 12.7: Story Television. I don’t know if we can get all of these in Vancouver, but I can see KVOS's H&I using an antenna in my house (I haven’t had cable for 20 years). In other words, H&I is “broadcasting over the airwaves.”

I am pointing this out, because I don’t understand what is the distinction mentioned above with “cable,” suggesting H&I is a “cable” channel. Cable to me suggests high-level channels of things like HBO, Showtime, FX and so forth, where you pay extra money for the services. You cannot get “cable” channels unless you subscribe to a cable TV service, they are not “broadcast over the airwaves.” More recently, you may be able to stream cable TV services via your computer.

In Canada, with cable TV, where you pay a monthly fee to some company, you typically have to subscribe to what I refer to as the “dogsh*t Canadian stuff (i.e., local programming from your area and similar garbage) in the bottom 30 range of channels” before you can get these “higher-level” channels. But discussing KVOS is sort of cheating, because this is NOT a Canadian company, it’s called a “border blaster,” though Canadian cable companies (like in the Vancouver area), which save you the trouble of having an antenna on your roof, will still carry KVOS.

[Chris109]

Pluto TV has a station called Paramount + on station 126. The show 5-0 a lot. Commercials are a pita tho, but it's free. 5-0 is also shown occasionally in their 'Classic TV' section.

[Pahonu]

H&I (Heroes & Icons) is not a "cable TV" channel where I live (Vancouver, BC). It is on KVOS TV (Bellingham, WA, just over the border) and it's part of their lineup which is divided into multiple digital channels: 12.1: Heroes & Icons, 12.2: Movies!, 12.3: MeTV, 12.4: Decades, 12.5: Start TV, 12.6: MeTV Plus, 12.7: Story Television. I don’t know if we can get all of these in Vancouver, but I can see KVOS's H&I using an antenna in my house (I haven’t had cable for 20 years). In other words, H&I is “broadcasting over the airwaves.”

I am pointing this out, because I don’t understand what is the distinction mentioned above with “cable,” suggesting H&I is a “cable” channel. Cable to me suggests high-level channels of things like HBO, Showtime, FX and so forth, where you pay extra money for the services. You cannot get “cable” channels unless you subscribe to a cable TV service, they are not “broadcast over the airwaves.” More recently, you may be able to stream cable TV services via your computer.

In Canada, with cable TV, where you pay a monthly fee to some company, you typically have to subscribe to what I refer to as the “dogsh*t Canadian stuff (i.e., local programming from your area and similar garbage) in the bottom 30 range of channels” before you can get these “higher-level” channels. But discussing KVOS is sort of cheating, because this is NOT a Canadian company, it’s called a “border blaster,” though Canadian cable companies (like in the Vancouver area), which save you the trouble of having an antenna on your roof, will still carry KVOS.

H&I also broadcasts over the air in Chicago, where it is headquartered and is this subject to FCC rules. The distinction between cable and over the air is based on the limited number of frequencies with which to broadcast TV and radio. These frequencies are licensed and managed by the FCC to prevent overlap and a mess of signals interfering with one another. By contrast, cable is only limited by the capacity of the physical cable which has allowed for hundreds of channels in the last few decades. Satellite also has huge capacity for channels. So basically, if a station is licensed to operate in a geographic area and broadcast over the air, it must follow FCC rules. Those provided via cable or satellite do not.

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

May I ask why you haven’t had the same unbelieving response to the missing H5-O episode all these years? That’s also not letting the audience decide for itself. It seems like CBS and H5-0’s creators are still treating us like children, as you wrote earlier, and not letting us decide for ourselves. I expect you don’t like it either but I don’t recall you making similar comments of disbelief as you did here.

Entirely different scenario. For all intents and purposes that episodes doesn't exist. It never existed for me so I'm not bothered by it. "Pig in a Blanket" has ALWAYS been included and has ALWAYS been in constant rotation. You're comparing apples and oranges here. One episode has never been shown and we know why. The other episode has always been shown except this one time. And we suspect we know why.

I'll get back to you on "Tricks Are Not Treats". No need to call any network. Things are perfectly clear for those who wish to see.

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

H&I (Heroes & Icons) is not a "cable TV" channel where I live (Vancouver, BC). It is on KVOS TV (Bellingham, WA, just over the border) and it's part of their lineup which is divided into multiple digital channels: 12.1: Heroes & Icons, 12.2: Movies!, 12.3: MeTV, 12.4: Decades, 12.5: Start TV, 12.6: MeTV Plus, 12.7: Story Television. I don’t know if we can get all of these in Vancouver, but I can see KVOS's H&I using an antenna in my house (I haven’t had cable for 20 years). In other words, H&I is “broadcasting over the airwaves.”

I am pointing this out, because I don’t understand what is the distinction mentioned above with “cable,” suggesting H&I is a “cable” channel. Cable to me suggests high-level channels of things like HBO, Showtime, FX and so forth, where you pay extra money for the services. You cannot get “cable” channels unless you subscribe to a cable TV service, they are not “broadcast over the airwaves.” More recently, you may be able to stream cable TV services via your computer.

In Canada, with cable TV, where you pay a monthly fee to some company, you typically have to subscribe to what I refer to as the “dogsh*t Canadian stuff (i.e., local programming from your area and similar garbage) in the bottom 30 range of channels” before you can get these “higher-level” channels. But discussing KVOS is sort of cheating, because this is NOT a Canadian company, it’s called a “border blaster,” though Canadian cable companies (like in the Vancouver area), which save you the trouble of having an antenna on your roof, will still carry KVOS.

Absolutely correct, Mike. It's a regular TV channel. Not cable. I still use my rabbit ear antenna, always have. Never had cable, never needed it. So this is definitely not some kind channel that one has to pay for. Same as Me-TV, Cozi-TV, Antenna-TV, Charge-TV, etc.

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

The Kahuna

5.9 rating in IMDb but I liked it.

Like the Hawaiian stuff (small town, traditions, curses, kapu, Kahunas).

Pretty decent story to me.

And Cathy Lee Crosby was hot in her swimsuit.

Not to get in trouble for sexism in PC 2022, I'll admit Kimo was pretty hunkish too.

Definitely see a diminishing role for McGarrett in Season 12.

Reminded me a bit of the Curse of the Kamehameha Club and Kapu Magnum episodes.

Truck so reminds me of one of my best friends who's Hawaiian. My surrogate Dad I've mentioned before. It's uncanny.

MPI: Don Knight, Charles Peck, Elizabeth Smith (always love her), Bill Verdier, Douglas Mossman, Winston Char, Barton McCollough,

Uggh, T.Q. I can't even remember where I stashed the tools for building a bamboo cage. I thought all that was behind us. But looks like you're gonna make me build one with this one. I always hated this one with a passion and for the longest time it was the single worst episode of the entire series for me. These days there may be one or two that are even worse than this one. But man, it's still a dog!! Woof!!

Story is slow and dull... and boooring. Maybe I don't care for Hawaiian superstition stories all that much but even by those standards this one is a real DOG! It makes "Curse of the KKC" episode look like a masterpiece in comparison. Just the image of Truck hobbling around town for an hour with his bum leg... uggh! Maybe the one thing holding this one from absolute rock bottom these days is Don Knight. This guy is always a gem. Never gives a bad performance. I just love listening to his voice but it's more than just the voice. Here he's a bit of a psycho (isn't he always?) and he plays it to the hilt. But that's it, man. Nothing else to see here...

[Mr. Mike]

With regard to the "censoring" of Chain of Events and Pig in a Blanket, this has nothing to do with H&I "censoring." Those shows are not there because we are dealing with the 209 episode package of H50 episodes that CBS sells to customers:

http://synbible.cbstvd.com/series/hawai ... igital.htm

It seems that CBS was the one who omitted those shows, plus lots of others from the later seasons. Don't ask me why they did this...

See the link at the bottom of the page

http://synbible.cbstvd.com/series/hawai ... isting.htm

Thanks to Jeff for providing "anal-ysis" regarding these shows.

P.S.: According to the list, Tricks Are Not Treats will show up soon...

[T.Q.]

Uggh, T.Q. I can't even remember where I stashed the tools for building a bamboo cage. I thought all that was behind us. But looks like you're gonna make me build one with this one. I always hated this one with a passion and for the longest time it was the single worst episode of the entire series for me.

Hey Mikey likes it.

[Pahonu]

With regard to the "censoring" of Chain of Events and Pig in a Blanket, this has nothing to do with H&I "censoring." Those shows are not there because we are dealing with the 209 episode package of H50 episodes that CBS sells to customers:

http://synbible.cbstvd.com/series/hawai ... igital.htm

It seems that CBS was the one who omitted those shows, plus lots of others from the later seasons. Don't ask me why they did this...

See the link at the bottom of the page

http://synbible.cbstvd.com/series/hawai ... isting.htm

Thanks to Jeff for providing "anal-ysis" regarding these shows.

P.S.: According to the list, Tricks Are Not Treats will show up soon...

Thank you!

Finally, an explanation with some evidence. I have read about other examples of this type of syndication packaging not including all episodes.

I have a guess as to why so many late season episodes were cut.

[Pahonu]

May I ask why you haven’t had the same unbelieving response to the missing H5-O episode all these years? That’s also not letting the audience decide for itself. It seems like CBS and H5-0’s creators are still treating us like children, as you wrote earlier, and not letting us decide for ourselves. I expect you don’t like it either but I don’t recall you making similar comments of disbelief as you did here.

Entirely different scenario. For all intents and purposes that episodes doesn't exist. It never existed for me so I'm not bothered by it. "Pig in a Blanket" has ALWAYS been included and has ALWAYS been in constant rotation. You're comparing apples and oranges here. One episode has never been shown and we know why. The other episode has always been shown except this one time. And we suspect we know why.

I'll get back to you on "Tricks Are Not Treats". No need to call any network. Things are perfectly clear for those who wish to see.

Your original complaint was about censorship and how it treats viewers like children. Later you stated how your network would show all episodes. Now you’re arguing censorship is okay if it was done in the past yet continues today? So old censorship is fine but new censorship isn’t? That’s pretty inconsistent reasoning.

You might want to read Mike’s comments above about Tricks Are Not Treats. Apparently you would have lost that bet. He provides some evidence for the omissions rather than creating something. Speculation about the reasoning is a way to arrive at an answer as others weigh in. Everyone commenting and asking questions here is doing that. However, your certainty that you “knew” the reason is not the same, and has likely been proved wrong.