The Robin Masters Estate (Pahonu)

[ConchRepublican]

I believe she was married,that is the Anderson part,but don't know if she had kids.

Good point. She's been alone it seems for a while though.

[Sam]

In just a short time I've been able to find out quite a bit about her,nothing bad but I'm wondering if we should post the info.It's not like she's a public figure,say I a cast member.She just happens to own the house..

What do you think??

[ConchRepublican]

In just a short time I've been able to find out quite a bit about her,nothing bad but I'm wondering if we should post the info.It's not like she's a public figure,say I a cast member.She just happens to own the house..

What do you think??

Well, public info is just that, but maybe there's a way to password protect things so it's doesn't become a reference source for those who wander through the site? I think there's a difference between what amounts to a conversation between a few of us and creating an Eve-apedia.

[Sam]

I think it's ok as articles pertaining to the house.

It looks to me that it was her father who built the house,both of his parents died in California.His Dad in 1925 and Mom in 1932.

[Mac]

Thanks for the welcome 308 Guy and Kenji. It seems none of us hit the powerball, hope the estate is still up for grabs when our ships come in.
It was about 7 years ago that I walked on the beach up to the gate that Magnum broke into on the first episode. It was surreal being on that beach, wading into the tidal pool, seeing the view of rabbit island, it really was like stepping into the show (it was awesome).
The house itself had a big blue tarp on the roof, and things seemed to be in a general state of decay, the boathouse looked really rough. Even in that state, the place has an undeniable sense of magic about it, I would love to spend my days roaming and caring for those grounds.

[Sam]

Welcome aboard Mac,

If I win the powerball and if you change your name to Kenji,you can do just that.The place is a mess.

[ConchRepublican]

Welcome Mac!

You snuck onto the grounds without my noticing. Good work!

[KENJI]

In just a short time I've been able to find out quite a bit about her,nothing bad but I'm wondering if we should post the info.It's not like she's a public figure,say I a cast member.She just happens to own the house..

What do you think??

This is how I felt when I started the Eve Glover Anderson thread and I'm still wrestling with it. The info is easy to find which is scary (but becoming the norm), so anyone who really wants to know more about her can easily find it on the internet. I have more info too....just deciding if it relevant or not. The info is very positive. Now if one of us was sifting in her garbage or trespassing on the estate that's going too far.

I think the condition of the estate and the amount of money her family has (or had), has us all scratching our heads and looking for possible answers. It's not really any of our business, but it's public knowledge so I'm kind of okay with it.

I'll let James decide......if he wants me to delete the thread I will.

[Sam]

Two things I did find out.

She's not related to Danny Glover or Louie Anderson.

[KENJI]

I concur....too funny!

[Pahonu]

Hi Pahonu,

Do you think the flared out section in that end room which is on the courtyard side would be the bathroom? It would be the right size for one. What Rick said about the other room across the courtyard being a trunk room makes total sense....I wonder if it is just a garden shed now? I haven't been fortunate enough to enjoy your model to it's fullest (computer is not the greatest), but I've seen many still pics of your model that members have posted.....when this computer packs it in I'll really get to enjoy a thorough walkabout. I must say what I've seen so far....brilliant work!!!

Hey Kenji,

I think that's exactly what it is. The tax records list two half baths on the first floor. Based on the age of the home, I would expect one of the two half baths would be in the service wing near the driveway, and the other to be near the public rooms which is where that space is. Also, if you pay close attention in any structure, the larger windows and doors lead to public and private rooms, while smaller windows open to service/utility spaces. So in this case there are two vent windows opening to this possible half bath space. The trunk room is another example. It has the three vent windows facing forward and a small window facing into the courtyard. The garage has these kinds of vents as does the kitchen in the service wing at the rear.

It's an interesting design, Pahonu. The entrance from the driveway is typically called a zaguan in Spanish architecture. It leads, not to the entry hall, but to a courtyard that the house is then entered from. In this case it first leads past two doors, left and right. Left is the trunk room and right (I believe) leads to the service wing with the various kitchen rooms, such as butler's pantry, storage pantry, staff dining room, staff bathroom, and the kitchen itself. By the way, there is an H5O episode that shows the actual kitchen briefly. It took me a long time to figure out how it fit in, but it is shown in the model. It has a couple of those vent windows looking into the courtyard behind the home. I hope you get to see the model soon. I can send you the most recent update, including the living room shown in the Vegas episode.

Hi Pahonu,

Speaking of vents........I know there is a basement to this place with what appears to be two small well windows out back. I wonder if that is it for the basement. I picture it being dark and really musty down there....great for Robin's wine cellar though. Any thoughts?

I think I know the kitchen pic you mentioned from HFO. It does get complicated piecing it together when you are in the dark for some of the square footage.

Hey Kenji,

You HAVE to figure out a way to walk through the model!

I think there are more than two well windows in the back. On my model I placed six: three on the kitchen wing under the three vent windows, and three on the rear wall of the main house nearer the kitchen wing side. They do allow light into the basement. Page 19 of this thread shows a couple on the back side of the main house. There's a zip file on the same page by Rubber Chicken that shows more even more photos.

The basement is actually quite large. The tax drawing shows over 1900 sq ft in total. It extends under the kitchen wing from the driveway entrance to the garage, and under the main house from the stair hall toward the driveway. I expect there is a service staircase in the kitchen wing leading to the basement, and another set of stairs to the basement under the main staircase. Remember an H5O episode showed a man emerging from a door under the main stairs. This must lead to the basement. There are several areas of the basement that have no direct light and would be perfect for wine storage, particularly one spot at the farthess rear point of the kitchen wing where it attaches to the garage wing. I have placed a service porch there on my model, and below that would make for a great wine cellar.

[KENJI]

Hi Pahonu,

I know, I know.....I'll see what I can do....I know I'm missing out!

The two lower window wells that you mentioned on page 19 are the ones that I was referencing.....I looked at Rubber Chicken's zip and I don't see any additional ones....just the same two. Please set me straight. I knew the size of the basement which is more than adequate, but I have another question for you (or anyone else)......What is the ceiling height of the basement? Back in the 30's/40's etc basements were mainly for storage and the ceiling height could be 5ft. to 6ft. or even less, not the 8ft. to 9ft. that we see today. It would be a bonus if the height was 8ft or more. I would agree with you that two staircases (service and main) probably exist....it makes sense. I picture an incredible wine cellar down there and your placement sounds perfect.

[Pahonu]

Hi Pahonu,

I know, I know.....I'll see what I can do....I know I'm missing out!

The two lower window wells that you mentioned on page 19 are the ones that I was referencing.....I looked at Rubber Chicken's zip and I don't see any additional ones....just the same two. Please set me straight. I knew the size of the basement which is more than adequate, but I have another question for you (or anyone else)......What is the ceiling height of the basement? Back in the 30's/40's etc basements were mainly for storage and the ceiling height could be 5ft. to 6ft. or even less, not the 8ft. to 9ft. that we see today. It would be a bonus if the height was 8ft or more. I would agree with you that two staircases (service and main) probably exist....it makes sense. I picture an incredible wine cellar down there and your placement sounds perfect.

In one of the zip file pictures it shows the kitchen wing vents and below one is a curb that looks very similar to the window wells. Since we know there is a basement underneath from the tax drawing, it makes sense that is what it is. Of course it could also be a planter, but none of the other planters around the house are bordered with a concrete curb like this. I would call it a very educated guess.

Another rational for more window wells is symmetry. Architects often align them with windows right above, as would be the case for the vents, so three vents would equal three window wells below. One of the zip photos shows a vent plus the top edge of two others to the right. Look closely. In my model these two vents open to the kitchen, one of which is present in that H5O episode that showed the kitchen. The third vent window in my model opens to the service stair to the basement for some natural light.

Sometimes vents are also placed between openings or symmetrically on either side of one, as in the photo, where they are arranged on either side of the paired double doors. I surmise there might be another window well further to the right of the lone double door that exits the stair hall. It can't be seen in the photo. The other basement stair would have this window well to light it.

As far as the basement height. This is a large home with taller than average ceilings on the first floor and parts of the second. I wouldn't doubt it was 8 feet or more for some usable storage. The climate doesn't even require a basement to get below the frost line (that doesn't exist). The whole place could have been built on a slab foundation like the garage and lanais and the gate house. If they went to the trouble of building that way, why only 5 or 6 feet. It wouldn't make sense.

Until you are able to view it, maybe JJ could attach some photos of the rear of the model.

JJ, are you listening? Sadly, I don't know how to do this seemingly simple step.

[KENJI]

Hi Pahonu,

Thanks for the explanation!
I agree that symmetry usually plays a very important role in balancing things out which you see in for example a Georgian etc. Your educated guess sounds logical and welcomed for a basement of that size. I see the planter with the curb and you might be right, maybe we will receive a few clues with future pics from the listing that will help confirm this theory.

I hope you are right with the ceiling height, but back then it was most likely just for storage and nothing else so it is plausible they didn't need to go to 8ft or more. I've seen this happen in many old homes like that ( a real shame)...fingers crossed it isn't the case here.....another thought I was wondering if sea level might come into play if they went down too far......the elevation is probably around 10 to 15 ft. tops....yes they have the wall next to the beach, but you know what water is like. At 8ft...you could be okay, but any deeper might make things a little more interesting when a storm comes in.

Okay...another question what is that single gate or wrought iron panel that you see in the zip file? TM is in his housecoat coming around the corner to confront Higgins and this gate or ornate window guard is right there. I've never seen another one and I'm curious what it's for (only decoration or does it double as a window guard as well) and where does it go (if anywhere).

[ConchRepublican]

I just downloaded the 3D model . . . oh . . . My . . . GOD!!

Amazing work Pahonu!!!! I need a lesson in how to get around the house.