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T.Q. wrote:
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HAWAII FIVE-O (the original) is where it's at. Never been bettered and never will. No wonder the show ran 12 seasons - there was plenty of variety in the cases they solved. Not the same old deal of going undercover to bust drug dealers week after week. That gets old real fast, as does the MTV styling. Plus FIVE-O just felt more upbeat, despite being a fairly violent and often edgy show for its day. It didn't seem superficial, it packed a more realistic punch, and there was no moral gray area for the hero. McGarrett knew where he stood and Jack Lord played him to perfection. Right was right, and wrong was wrong. No room for compromising. So refreshing after so many morally questionable and even reprehensible "heroes" of modern television. Simpler times back then. That's why we gravitate towards those shows. Feel good television.
I just started watching. Never have before believe it or not.

First two episodes were good.
Oh wow! :shock: It's hard for me to believe that someone hasn't seen the original show, at least someone in our age range who grew up with MPI. Growing up, FIVE-O reruns were always playing on some channel somewhere. It was actually my mom that got me into the show. I watched it long before I ever got into MPI. She thought Jack Lord was VERY handsome! But of course she though so was Selleck (no surprise there LOL).

Anyway welcome to FIVE-O, T.Q.! :D Which two episodes did you see? The pilot "Cocoon" and "Full Fathom Five"? Or "Full Fathom Five" and "Strangers in Our Own Land"? All 3 are excellent episodes! You should definitely check out more! The show is remastered and the islands look gorgeous in HD. But I also love the stories and the acting! I guess I'm biased because I love the no-nonsense acting of 60s and 70s TV crime dramas. I also love hearing all the Hawaiian pidgin and the late 60s hippie talk! Just listen how many times you'll hear words like "baby" and "bruddah" and "dig, baby, dig". :lol:

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This talk of "Miami Vice" being too glossy reminds me of a phrase a friend uses.

I asked him about watching the TV show "Quantico": he said he tried an episode of it and found it to be "too pretty."

I think the same could be said of "Miami Vice." I personally never got into the show in the 80s, but haven't watched recently to see if I might like it today.

I definitely prefer Magnum's mix to the more gritty shows today -- in fact, we as a family are now only watching The Brady Bunch, Little House on the Prairie, and Leave it to Beaver. I'll sometimes watch CHiPs or Charlie's Angels with the kids (or alone), or Knight Rider/The Six Million Dollar Man/The Bionic Woman alone, and all of that tops most of today's TV.

The only new TV shows I'm watching today are: The Rookie, Blue Bloods, Manifest, and Magnum (yes, I still track that show despite how terrible it is).

Are there even any good "feel good" shows on TV these days?

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IvanTheTerrible wrote:
T.Q. wrote:
IvanTheTerrible wrote:
HAWAII FIVE-O (the original) is where it's at. Never been bettered and never will. No wonder the show ran 12 seasons - there was plenty of variety in the cases they solved. Not the same old deal of going undercover to bust drug dealers week after week. That gets old real fast, as does the MTV styling. Plus FIVE-O just felt more upbeat, despite being a fairly violent and often edgy show for its day. It didn't seem superficial, it packed a more realistic punch, and there was no moral gray area for the hero. McGarrett knew where he stood and Jack Lord played him to perfection. Right was right, and wrong was wrong. No room for compromising. So refreshing after so many morally questionable and even reprehensible "heroes" of modern television. Simpler times back then. That's why we gravitate towards those shows. Feel good television.
I just started watching. Never have before believe it or not.

First two episodes were good.
Oh wow! :shock: It's hard for me to believe that someone hasn't seen the original show, at least someone in our age range who grew up with MPI. Growing up, FIVE-O reruns were always playing on some channel somewhere. It was actually my mom that got me into the show. I watched it long before I ever got into MPI. She thought Jack Lord was VERY handsome! But of course she though so was Selleck (no surprise there LOL).

Anyway welcome to FIVE-O, T.Q.! :D Which two episodes did you see? The pilot "Cocoon" and "Full Fathom Five"? Or "Full Fathom Five" and "Strangers in Our Own Land"? All 3 are excellent episodes! You should definitely check out more! The show is remastered and the islands look gorgeous in HD. But I also love the stories and the acting! I guess I'm biased because I love the no-nonsense acting of 60s and 70s TV crime dramas. I also love hearing all the Hawaiian pidgin and the late 60s hippie talk! Just listen how many times you'll hear words like "baby" and "bruddah" and "dig, baby, dig". :lol:
"Full Fathom Five" and "Strangers in Our Own Land"?

Enjoyed them.

Just looked up Cocoon. Why is it listed as episode 25 and episode zero on IMDb?

It's the real pilot?

What's the story there? :?:
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T.Q. wrote:
IvanTheTerrible wrote:
T.Q. wrote:
IvanTheTerrible wrote:
HAWAII FIVE-O (the original) is where it's at. Never been bettered and never will. No wonder the show ran 12 seasons - there was plenty of variety in the cases they solved. Not the same old deal of going undercover to bust drug dealers week after week. That gets old real fast, as does the MTV styling. Plus FIVE-O just felt more upbeat, despite being a fairly violent and often edgy show for its day. It didn't seem superficial, it packed a more realistic punch, and there was no moral gray area for the hero. McGarrett knew where he stood and Jack Lord played him to perfection. Right was right, and wrong was wrong. No room for compromising. So refreshing after so many morally questionable and even reprehensible "heroes" of modern television. Simpler times back then. That's why we gravitate towards those shows. Feel good television.
I just started watching. Never have before believe it or not.

First two episodes were good.
Oh wow! :shock: It's hard for me to believe that someone hasn't seen the original show, at least someone in our age range who grew up with MPI. Growing up, FIVE-O reruns were always playing on some channel somewhere. It was actually my mom that got me into the show. I watched it long before I ever got into MPI. She thought Jack Lord was VERY handsome! But of course she though so was Selleck (no surprise there LOL).

Anyway welcome to FIVE-O, T.Q.! :D Which two episodes did you see? The pilot "Cocoon" and "Full Fathom Five"? Or "Full Fathom Five" and "Strangers in Our Own Land"? All 3 are excellent episodes! You should definitely check out more! The show is remastered and the islands look gorgeous in HD. But I also love the stories and the acting! I guess I'm biased because I love the no-nonsense acting of 60s and 70s TV crime dramas. I also love hearing all the Hawaiian pidgin and the late 60s hippie talk! Just listen how many times you'll hear words like "baby" and "bruddah" and "dig, baby, dig". :lol:
"Full Fathom Five" and "Strangers in Our Own Land"?

Enjoyed them.

Just looked up Cocoon. Why is it listed as episode 25 and episode zero on IMDb?

It's the real pilot?

What's the story there? :?:
"Full Fathom Five" in particular has a creepy atmosphere with the murderous couple. That opening where they throw the woman in the barrel into the ocean always stuck with me! Kevin McCarthy was really good as the baddie there, very creepy with the recital of the poetry at the start as they watch the barrel sink. "Strangers in Our Own Land" has a very good topical story about the exploitation of the islands by the big-time developers from the mainland. Next episode is even better... "Tiger by the Tail". It has a cool twist to it. Two twists actually.

My personal 5 favorites from season 1 are:
1. The Box
2. Deathwatch
3. Yesterday Died and Tomorrow Won't be Born
4. One for the Money
5. Tiger by the Tail
Honorable mentions... King of the Hill, Full Fathom Five, Cocoon.

Yes, "Cocoon" is the pilot episode. It premiered as a 2-hour movie called "Hawaii Five-O" in September 1968. A week later the series proper began with "Full Fathom Five". At the end of season 1 in the spring of 1969, after they ran all the 1st season episodes, they decided to rerun the pilot again but this time as a 2-part episode under the title of "Cocoon". That's what we normally saw on TV in reruns growing up (same as you probably did with the MPI pilot split up into 2 parts). On the DVD release of season 1 they of course have the full-length pilot movie, not the 2-part "Cocoon" version. I don't know how or where you're watching these so I don't know what's available to you. If you can watch the full-length pilot I would recommend that. If all you have is the "Cocoon" 2-parter then you can watch that one. For many years that's all that was available to us.

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T.Q. wrote:
IvanTheTerrible wrote:
HAWAII FIVE-O (the original) is where it's at. Never been bettered and never will. No wonder the show ran 12 seasons - there was plenty of variety in the cases they solved. Not the same old deal of going undercover to bust drug dealers week after week. That gets old real fast, as does the MTV styling. Plus FIVE-O just felt more upbeat, despite being a fairly violent and often edgy show for its day. It didn't seem superficial, it packed a more realistic punch, and there was no moral gray area for the hero. McGarrett knew where he stood and Jack Lord played him to perfection. Right was right, and wrong was wrong. No room for compromising. So refreshing after so many morally questionable and even reprehensible "heroes" of modern television. Simpler times back then. That's why we gravitate towards those shows. Feel good television.
I just started watching. Never have before believe it or not.
First two episodes were good.
Hi T.Q.
You are in for a treat. Especially the episodes with a twist at the end that you never saw coming. How many series, then and now, ever do that?
T.Q., or anyone else, do you happen to know anyplace where one can view the original Hawaii 5-0 for free? Thanks in advance.

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IvanTheTerrible wrote:
Yes, "Cocoon" is the pilot episode. It premiered as a 2-hour movie called "Hawaii Five-O" in September 1968. A week later the series proper began with "Full Fathom Five". At the end of season 1 in the spring of 1969, after they ran all the 1st season episodes, they decided to rerun the pilot again but this time as a 2-part episode under the title of "Cocoon". That's what we normally saw on TV in reruns growing up (same as you probably did with the MPI pilot split up into 2 parts). On the DVD release of season 1 they of course have the full-length pilot movie, not the 2-part "Cocoon" version. I don't know how or where you're watching these so I don't know what's available to you. If you can watch the full-length pilot I would recommend that. If all you have is the "Cocoon" 2-parter then you can watch that one. For many years that's all that was available to us.
Just watched the 2-parter.

Excellent.

What's funny is I barely watched the new Hawaii Five-0 but I saw parts of the episode that ripped this one off.

That suit is creepy.

I love that they walked you through the investigation step-by-step. No car chases. No automatic gunfire every second. A REAL story.

Thanks for bringing it up and getting me to check it out.
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P.S. Just watched the new Hawaii Five-0 version of Cocoon with my morning coffee.

It's almost a word for word rip. All they added was the annoying bickering McGarrett/Danny scenes for 'humour'.

Solidifies there's not a lot of originality anymore.

Original was much better.
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T.Q. wrote:
IvanTheTerrible wrote:
Yes, "Cocoon" is the pilot episode. It premiered as a 2-hour movie called "Hawaii Five-O" in September 1968. A week later the series proper began with "Full Fathom Five". At the end of season 1 in the spring of 1969, after they ran all the 1st season episodes, they decided to rerun the pilot again but this time as a 2-part episode under the title of "Cocoon". That's what we normally saw on TV in reruns growing up (same as you probably did with the MPI pilot split up into 2 parts). On the DVD release of season 1 they of course have the full-length pilot movie, not the 2-part "Cocoon" version. I don't know how or where you're watching these so I don't know what's available to you. If you can watch the full-length pilot I would recommend that. If all you have is the "Cocoon" 2-parter then you can watch that one. For many years that's all that was available to us.
Just watched the 2-parter.

Excellent.

What's funny is I barely watched the new Hawaii Five-0 but I saw parts of the episode that ripped this one off.

That suit is creepy.

I love that they walked you through the investigation step-by-step. No car chases. No automatic gunfire every second. A REAL story.

Thanks for bringing it up and getting me to check it out.
T.Q., glad you enjoyed it! Granted, the pilot has a bit more of a James Bond vibe to it than the actual series itself, what with the deprivation Cocoon chamber and the cloak and dagger feel of the whole episode. But it's a great start to a fantastic series and one that I enjoy more and more each time I view the episode. It introduces us to McGarrett's recurring arch nemesis Wo Fat (played wonderfully by Khigh Dhiegh) - I absolutely love his whole speech to McGarrett about how the brain works and how it gets wiped clean in the tank. Absolutely terrifying stuff when you think about it. A fine guest cast too, did you notice Leslie Nielsen there as the fed (Brent) whom McGarrett initially suspects??? A great music score by Morton Stevens too! He was Emmy nominated for this one. There's also the great line about McGarrett that they even used in the Cocoon remake "Everybody knows that McGarrett only takes orders from the governor and God, and sometimes even they have difficulty". Love that line!! Also lots of memorable filming locations - the beach where they find Hennessy's body (supposedly drowned) at the beginning is Hanauma Bay, back when you could actually drive all the way down to the beach. Nowadays you have to park in the parking lot up top and then walk (or hitch a ride on a little bus) down to the beach. There's also the Punchbowl Cemetery of the Pacific (with the Lady Columbia statue that's featured in the opening title) where McGarrett and Miller (Andrew Duggan) meet. I also enjoy the beginning where McGarrett is driving along Kalakaua Ave (on his way to Hanauma Bay) and you don't see any high-rises in Waikiki. Just small hotels. The one that's most notably missing is the twin towers of the Hyatt Regency Waikiki (where I stayed on my last visit there). That one wouldn't be built until 1976. You'll see it in the later seasons of Five-O. It's really a special time capsule of a different and more innocent time. That's why the episode "Strangers in Our Own Land" is very poignant about the over-development of the islands. And that was 1968 when in my opinion things were still fairly mild in this regard.

About the remake of Cocoon, it's funny because I was in Tennessee visiting family back in late September 2018 when the 9th season of the show kicked off. Me and my brother-in-law watched that one. He likes the reboot, not the original. I don't like the reboot but was curious to see this one because it's a remake of the classic Cocoon. I enjoyed seeing some of the scene-by-scene recreations but as you said it's all undercut by the idiotic banter of the two leads and the stupid gunfights and over-the-top action. That's why I never got into the show. It simply doesn't have the spirit of the original. It carries the name of FIVE-O but it's simply not FIVE-O. It's a different show altogether that just happens to be filmed in Hawaii. Same with the new MPI.

You mentioned that you love how they walk you step by step through the investigation. That's what I loved most about the show. It's wasn't mindless shootouts. It was a cerebral show. You watched as the team went through the clues and evidence piece by piece and figured out the case over the course of the hour. No fancy all-knowing smart computers that scan some piece of clothing from some perp and immediately spit out everything you need to know about him and where to find him. That's why the new show is so boring. They have this smart computer which literally knows everything about everyone. There's no investigation. Just drive over, point, and shoot. Then rinse and repeat. Like some stupid video game. I love how on the old show they would deduce things. McGarrett would start snapping his fingers furiously as he turned things over in his brain, brainstorming and putting the pieces together. It was fascinating to watch! COLUMBO was the same way. That's why I love old shows with REAL crime solving.

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Luther's nephew Dobie wrote: Hi T.Q.
You are in for a treat. Especially the episodes with a twist at the end that you never saw coming. How many series, then and now, ever do that?
T.Q., or anyone else, do you happen to know anyplace where one can view the original Hawaii 5-0 for free? Thanks in advance.
Hi Dobie,

I have all the seasons on DVD. I got them individually as they came out. For a long time the entire series was available on Netflix streaming service, along with MPI. Then both got pulled a few years back. Almost all the episodes were also available on dailymotion.com (which is free) but now you might find one or two episodes there, most aren't available there anymore. I do know for a fact that the 4th season episode "No Bottles, No Cans, No People" is still available there so you can check that one out. Don't think YouTube has any. Other than that I guess they're available on CBS All Access and Amazon but you'll have to pay. Not sure how T.Q. is watching them. Maybe he can chime in.

P.S. I always want to call you Luther but then I notice that he's your uncle. :lol:

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Ivan,

Thanks for all your great insights on the show.

I see you’re a killer fan.

Is a H50 Mania in your future? :)

iTunes has the series for $20/season. Surprisingly expensive.

I just nefariously grabbed season 1 in low-res on a Tor *cough cough* site.
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IvanTheTerrible wrote:
Luther's nephew Dobie wrote: Hi T.Q.
You are in for a treat. Especially the episodes with a twist at the end that you never saw coming. How many series, then and now, ever do that?
T.Q., or anyone else, do you happen to know anyplace where one can view the original Hawaii 5-0 for free? Thanks in advance.
Hi Dobie,

I have all the seasons on DVD. I got them individually as they came out. For a long time the entire series was available on Netflix streaming service, along with MPI. Then both got pulled a few years back. Almost all the episodes were also available on dailymotion.com (which is free) but now you might find one or two episodes there, most aren't available there anymore. I do know for a fact that the 4th season episode "No Bottles, No Cans, No People" is still available there so you can check that one out. Don't think YouTube has any. Other than that I guess they're available on CBS All Access and Amazon but you'll have to pay. Not sure how T.Q. is watching them. Maybe he can chime in.
P.S. I always want to call you Luther but then I notice that he's your uncle. :lol:
Ivan,
Thank you for the information, I appreciate it. Dailymotion is a good outfit, when I dropped them a line that their presentation of "800 Words" averaged a commercial
every 4 minutes they wrote back in French(got a English version the next day) thanking me and deleted all but two ad breaks.
I forgot about Dailymotion, but I will go back and see about any Hawaii 5-0 they might still have.
Ivan, there can be only one Luther, the Legend.
Regards, Dobie
("That's Dobie with a B, not P")...Dwayne Hickman

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T.Q. wrote:Ivan,

Thanks for all your great insights on the show.

I see you’re a killer fan.

Is a H50 Mania in your future? :)

iTunes has the series for $20/season. Surprisingly expensive.

I just nefariously grabbed season 1 in low-res on a Tor *cough cough* site.
Oh no, there certainly isn't any H5O-Mania in my future, that's for sure. There's no need, really. Because there's already an awesome and very exhaustive FIVE-O site out there, courtesy of Mike Quigley. I couldn't possibly add any more than he's already done over the last 20+ some odd years. He's gone back over the last 2 years and expanded on his in-depth episode reviews. He's still at it! There are 12 seasons, after all. He even followed and reviewed the reboot, even though he's not a fan. It's a cool site, one of the earliest TV show fan sites that I regularly followed and visited. There's a discussion forum there too! Check his site out: http://www.fiveohomepage.com/

Anyway, keep us updated here as you watch more FIVE-O episodes. :) Or you can create a separate thread for it. You can do it under "Other TV Shows".

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