Let the Punishment Fit the Crime (4.17)

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Rutledal · #16 Post by **Rutledal** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:18 am

After seeing the first pic RC posted I am 100% confident that it's a Detonics Pocket 9.

MaximRecoil · #17 Post by **MaximRecoil** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:22 pm

Note the ambidextrous safety/decocker and the recurved trigger guard (as well as the chunkier design). Is there a clearer picture available? I don't have the DVD so I can't check for myself, but judging from those screenshots, I agree that it is a Detonics Pocket 9 (it is definitely not a Walther PPK).

For such a small pistol, the Pocket 9 was a powerhouse. 9mm Parabellum is a major increase in power compared to the .32 ACP and .380 ACP chamberings of typical pocket autos (such as the PPK). However, these things were blowback operation, which is kind of ridiculous for a 9mm in a small pistol format (technically it was a chamber-ring delayed blowback system, combined with an excessively heavy recoil spring, but that's not a particularly effective method). Due to this, recoil was excessive and parts failure was common.

BTW, Detonics is still in business (though I don't believe they make the Pocket 9 anymore). They are most famous for their 1911-derivative "Combat Master", which along with the Star Model PD and the Charter Arms Bulldog, were popular compact big bore handguns for concealed carry in the 1970s.

#18 Post by **J.J. Walters** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:51 am

Thanks everybody. You guys certainly know your guns!

So, did Magnum ever use a Walter PPK? Did the Pocket 9 ever show up again on the show?

MaximRecoil · #19 Post by **MaximRecoil** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:22 pm

James J. Walters wrote:Thanks everybody. You guys certainly know your guns!

So, did Magnum ever use a Walter PPK? Did the Pocket 9 ever show up again on the show?

In season three's "The Big Blow", Magnum has a Walther PPK in an ankle holster:

Not only can the gun be visually identified as a Walther PPK, but Magnum also directly stated that it was a Walther PPK in that episode.

I don't know off the top of my head if there were any other appearances of the Walther PPK as Magnum's gun (though there were plenty of appearances of Walther PPKs in general), nor if there were any other appearances of the Detonics Pocket 9.

#20 Post by **J.J. Walters** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:26 am

Ah, so he does have a Walther PPK.

So, Colt .45 primary, Walther PPK and Pocket 9 backup.

The Star Model B in "China Doll" doesn't seem so out of place now. It wasn't his, it was Mr. Masters (or Higgins'). Magnum knew he was probably going to have to shoot Choi, as Choi, being an assassin and all, wasn't going to go down easy. The ballistics on the Star Model B would totally throw off Tanaka/McGarrett and company.

MaximRecoil · #21 Post by **MaximRecoil** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:07 am

James J. Walters wrote:Ah, so he does have a Walther PPK.

So, Colt .45 primary, Walther PPK and Pocket 9 backup.

The Star Model B in "China Doll" doesn't seem so out of place now. It wasn't his, it was Mr. Masters (or Higgins'). Magnum knew he was probably going to have to shoot Choi, as Choi, being an assassin and all, wasn't going to go down easy. The ballistics on the Star Model B would totally throw off Tanaka/McGarrett and company.

LOL

And after shooting Choi with the Star Model B—to further befuddle the cops—he left the Star Model BM on the ground at the scene.

Frodoleader · #22 Post by **Frodoleader** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:42 pm

Noticed that in the dock scene with the longshoremen, one of the local tough guys standing behind TM is wearing a t-shirt that says "Everyone gets lei'd in Hawai'i"

#23 Post by **Styles Bitchley** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:14 pm

Frodoleader wrote:Noticed that in the dock scene with the longshoremen, one of the local tough guys standing behind TM is wearing a t-shirt that says "Everyone gets lei'd in Hawai'i"

Love it!

#24 Post by **J.J. Walters** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:54 pm

Watched this the other day. Never noticed before that Agatha apparently keeps a large stock of chickens, pheasants, and ducks in her yard at her house!

Also, really love this narration from Magnum:

Magnum: Once, when I was a kid, three older guys decided to beat me up for no apparent reason. I teld my own until a fourth showed up. And from that day on, I vowed that three was my limit, particularly when I didn't know what I was fighting about.

Wise words!

zebra3 · #25 Post by **zebra3** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:39 pm

Wow, after the last few episodes I've seen from season four, I was beginning to get bored with the series. I wanted a good classic Magnum episode; car chase, fight scene, banter between Rick, TC, and Higgins, and maybe a shootout.
I got it.
And from the looks of things, the next few episodes will be similar.

I also noticed the lockpick thing and the fact that he drove there in the Ferrari and needed to hitch a ride home.

steveadl · #26 Post by **steveadl** » Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:35 am

Enjoyed the scene with TM down by the dock. When they tell him he's going for a swim - his hang dog expression, and drooped head as he slowly plods to the edge then tosses himself in without being forced. Classic!

miltontheripper · Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:25 pm

I think this is one of the best episodes of season four and of the whole show. It had great action including an awesome one on one fight scene between Magnum and Eric. Along with the action, it was really funny as well. Higgins dressed as a samurai was good in the beginning and Rick dressed as one of the school girls in the play has always cracked me up! Not to mention the ending with him singing that pirate king song, hilarious! I like this episode beause it had a good mystery for TM to solve as the overall theme, I think these ones are always really good!

MaiTaiMan · #28 Post by **MaiTaiMan** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:00 am

J.J. Walters wrote:Watched this the other day. Never noticed before that Agatha apparently keeps a large stock of chickens, pheasants, and ducks in her yard at her house!

Also, really love this narration from Magnum:

Magnum: Once, when I was a kid, three older guys decided to beat me up for no apparent reason. I teld my own until a fourth showed up. And from that day on, I vowed that three was my limit, particularly when I didn't know what I was fighting about.

Wise words!

I know...I never really noticed the chickens and ducks in Agatha's yard before. But, going back through the whole series again this time, I noticed that too. It's rather funny as well as out of place, in my opinion...as I do not see Agatha as the type to go out and feed/mess with chickens. Messy and very poopy animals...not exactly what I see her having as pets.

Magnum's words of advise are so true, but funny! Three was his limit, huh.

Sisophous · #29 Post by **Sisophous** » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:31 pm

This is one of those episodes I did not enjoy the first time I viewed it but on a second look was quite good. Kay Lenz appearance is what really stood out. She played the role of the widowed wife in the 1976 TV miniseries, Rich Man Poor Man with Nick Nolte. Although seven years passed since Rich Man Poor Man was shot I noticed her voice had changed a lot. It was a lot deeper and raspy than when she was younger.

Higgens was also surly the entire episode and not very likable. Also, a minor thing I noticed, the entrance to the estate by the front gate was much smaller than in other episodes. It seems the director tried to make it appear larger than in the actual residence but they somehow did not try to make it appear larger in this episode. It is shown for a brief few seconds when Magnum is rushing to the estate to alert everyone of the assassination plot.

MagnumILWU · #30 Post by **MagnumILWU** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:48 am

http://youtu.be/lru_kgkb6x8 Take a look at Kay Lenz from the 1984 video 'Infatuation', by Rod Stewart!

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