I have no confidence in Pool or the other podcasters who disregard the “old media” or “legacy media” as they call it, I believe. They dismiss decades of journalistic practice with definitive standards and practices as unreliable, while doing little if any due diligence of their own. I honestly cannot comprehend how individuals will disregard information reported on by multiple media outlets and multiple journalists that are corroborative, and then believe something posted on some random person’s blog with absolutely no substantiation.Chris109 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:30 pmAnd when they decide to have a kid without the man, it doesn't take long for them to go after the guy for child support. Heck, there are even some who have gone after the 'donors' from the clinic.Pahonu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:58 amI understand your point. It’s just the history professor in me that has to call out inaccurate historical references. Still, I’m not so sure that women staying single now is about no real men being out there. Women have far more opportunities today to make such relationship decisions because they’re not as economically dependent as in past generations. Some men seem to struggle today with the idea that a woman doesn’t need their help in any meaningful way. That’s a HUGE change.Chris109 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:35 amI was basically referring to the feminization of the males today. Toxic masculinity is a term that is thrown about. From what I understand, women nowadays, are staying single because there are no real men out there. They are all 'momma's boys'. I was just showing that a quote from a show from the 60's could still be relevant today.Pahonu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:47 pmThe quote from the series about REAL men in Roman culture seems overly simplistic and based on later perspectives more than on the record of Roman society itself. Sexual attitudes and behaviors in ancient Roman were incredibly different from those of the last century or so. Prostitution was legal, public, and quite widespread. Paintings that would be described as pornographic today were often featured among the art collections in respectable upperclass households.Chris109 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:06 pm This comment does not have to do with the Persuaders, but with The Saint. Was watching an episode from season 5, The Man Who Liked Lions. Basically, about a guy (Tiberio Magadino) who was hung up on ancient Rome. But something Tiberio (played by Peter Wyngarde) said could be said today.
But, it's not like Rome wasn't also sick and decadent.
Now, back to The Persuaders.
It was also considered natural and not at all unusual for men to be sexually attracted to teen-aged youths of both sexes. The terms "Homosexual" and "heterosexual" were not the opposite poles on the spectrum of Roman thinking about sexuality. In fact, there are no Latin words for these concepts.
There was no moral judgement made of the man who enjoyed sex acts with either women or men as long as they were of lower social status. While the perception of effeminacy was often denounced, sex with male prostitutes or slaves was not regarded as improper or even a sign of lack of masculinity.
Later Christian writers denounced all these concepts and behaviors as immoral, particularly that the Romans had more fluid gender boundaries than even the ancient Greeks. Our current Western society still seems to reflect this bias in analysis of Greek and a Roman culture. It’s a very interesting and incredibly complex topic.
As a history professor and social studies teacher, I find the clash between the United States founding as a democratic republic inspired by the societies of ancient Athens and Rome, with the Judeo-Christian world view held by many American citizens today, to be utterly fascinating.
I did enjoy your insight, however.
Even my own mother, who was an elementary school teacher in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s, couldn’t have easily made her way alone. Banks wouldn’t loan to woman for cars or homes, and credit cards were also off limits. My wife is also an educator and we have a very equitable relationship in that way. Yet I have had colleagues and other friends question the balance in our relationship as if it is somehow wrong. I think it may feel threatening to their view of masculinity. To be honest, I often use the fact that I am 6-8 tall and a former NCAA athlete to question them about their own insecurities about their role as a male in their relationship. Perhaps that’s a bit harsh, but I think there’s real value in women’s opportunities today to make decisions without a male partner.
I remember this was on a magazine cover from the 80's or 90's.
I saw this the other day and I think it kind of sums up what, I believe, is going on today. Tim Pool video.
https://youtu.be/Z2rnrOJicRA?t=2741
When I had a bout with maybe The Vid a few months back, I lost taste also. I didn't even realize it at the time. I thought I had just bought some bad groceries. But, when I had trouble swallowing, losing taste was no big deal.
It happens all too often, tragically, and many podcasters prey on people financially in this way… like Andrew Tate.